Stop Calling Teachers 'Miss' Or 'Sir', Pupils Are Told - Telegraph

[localzuk]

The discussion at that point was whether the use of the word Misogyny was appropriate to discrimination. I supported my use by referring to an authoritative source, the Oxford English dictionary. Where do you think I should go for an authoritative source on what words actually mean? You seem to be suggesting that I regard your opinion as more of an authority than the dictionary! I have a lot of respect for you - but that is frankly risible.

 

That would be absurd, having me as an authority. However, my comment earlier was that I would not use that word to describe our country, as it is is mostly used to scream hatred at men now.

 

So, it is more of a case of the perceptions words present due to their current and most popular usage.

[Bompalompalomp]

Conversation changes, it's healthy and gets everyone talking when there is a debate like this! Nothing wrong with it and you shouldn't be disappointed. This is all kind of the same subject the fact that Women can be called Miss, Mrs, Madam, feminists look to far into these things and then cause more havoc than the problem is worth "making a mountain out of molehills as the girlfriend says"

 

The reason I said I'd be offended by that is because it implies I'm old(er than I am!), not because of any hatred for men.

[CAM]

Conversation changes, it's healthy and gets everyone talking when there is a debate like this! Nothing wrong with it and you shouldn't be disappointed. This is all kind of the same subject the fact that Women can be called Miss, Mrs, Madam, feminists look to far into these things and then cause more havoc than the problem is worth "making a mountain out of molehills as the girlfriend says"

 

 

You mentioned COD etc... I can't believe noone mentions the legendary games like Rust or CSGO..... You have just made a new enemy [/sarcasm]

 

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I wouldn't call any of those two games legendary.

 

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Conversation changes, it's healthy and gets everyone talking when there is a debate like this! Nothing wrong with it and you shouldn't be disappointed. This is all kind of the same subject the fact that Women can be called Miss, Mrs, Madam, feminists look to far into these things and then cause more havoc than the problem is worth "making a mountain out of molehills as the girlfriend says"

 

 

You mentioned COD etc... I can't believe noone mentions the legendary games like Rust or CSGO..... You have just made a new enemy [/sarcasm]

 

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I wouldn't call any of those two games legendary.

[Bompalompalomp]

I don't think I see anyone ever calling guys 'dudebros' xD

 

With regard to @pcstru vs @localzuk - I present to you... "Literally."

Case dismissed.

 

I actually broke up with a woman I was on a third date with because she kept calling guys who she didn't like that.

[witch]

Feminism: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

 

That's it

 

You can be a feminist and be a bloke. You can be a feminist and believe in equal rights for men as well.

 

Please do not dismiss feminism because of the actions of some people who say they are feminists, any more than you would hate all muslims because of the few terrorists or similar

 

 

Those of you who are younger may not understand what women went through (much like the racism/gingerism thread tbh) but women have always had to fignt for their place in society.

The fact that many of you are talking about just wanting things to be equal is great and shows how far we have come, but it really isn't very long ago when people believed that women should defer to men in all things (hence the "obey" in the original marriage service)

If you think about it - it isn't fair to have an honorific which identifies you as married or not - it is a throwback to the days when women's future lay with marriage and a man. You may not think it matters overmuch, but I think you will see that it isn't really right.

[Garacesh]

The reason I said I'd be offended by that is because it implies I'm old(er than I am!), not because of any hatred for men.

Well to be fair, you are old enough to be a Mrs. if you were so inclined

 

 

I wouldn't call any of those two games legendary.

Whoah, whoah. Feminism discussions are risky enough, let's not get into vidya game bashing..

 

 

I actually broke up with a woman I was on a third date with because she kept calling guys who she didn't like that.

Wait. 'Dudebros' is a bad term? When you said it up there I took it to just be a convoluted 'ultra cool' combination of 'dude' and 'bro' that the 'hip' kids were using (and not realising how daft they sounded).. Kind of like 'broski'

Edited May 14, 2014 by Garacesh

[abillybob]

I wouldn't call any of those two games legendary.

 

Hmmmmm.

[localzuk]

One thing I will say is that the gaming world needs to seriously crack down on misogyny. The communities I'm a part of bring the hammer down without thought at any abusive messages. However, that does not apply to mere camaraderie between males and females who will both equally abuse everyone else.

 

Companies like Microsoft and Sony have a big role to play in this crackdown, by handling complaints properly.

[Garacesh]

If you think about it - it isn't fair to have an honorific which identifies you as married or not - it is a throwback to the days when women's future lay with marriage and a man. You may not think it matters overmuch, but I think you will see that it isn't really right.

 

Same as changing your maiden name. I don't see the point in it and would rather my wife, when that time comes, keep her family name. But it's all matters of opinion. Some people see it as commemorating the two families becoming one through the marriage of their relatives (in which case, double-barrelled surnames are probably more appropriate, but those irritate me for no discernible reason) and others see it as an outdated tradition of the woman becoming the man's property.

 

When I was younger I did used to wonder why there wasn't a married 'Mr' and a single 'Mr'. When I asked, nobody could ever really give me a straight answer. I guess maybe I was too young at the time for "Well, society used to be sexist as , so Mrs. was to denote she was married and so other men knew she was someone's property.".. Even now I'm only just realising "Mrs" is very similar to "Mr's" (As in that belongs to Dean. That's Dean's)

Edited May 14, 2014 by Garacesh

[witch]

Young men up until adulthood were sometimes known as Master but that was just an age thing rather than a marital-status thing

 

I compromised when I got married - I used my married name when dealing with anything to do with the children or the family but my single name when at work and with personal finance etc. Slowly as the children have grown up it has all fallen away and now I am only Mrs xxx to the doctor and my governor school. MrwITch doesn't give a stuff what I call myself. In other countries they have different systems where the woman keeps her name anyway

[CAM]

Is it legally allowed for a man to take a woman's surname after marriage? They'd probably have to make a means for that in law with same-sex marriage anyway.

[Garacesh]

Good question! Haven't actually ever thought of that.. Mainly because as I mentioned I'm against either party changing their name. I'll keep mine and I would not take issue if she (whoever she is ) wants to keep hers.

If she wanted to take mine, I would be okay with that. But I wouldn't ask her to.

[LosOjos]

Slightly on topic:

 

Just went out to get some lunch, on the way a Y7 said to me: "alright sir! Are you a sir?" [i assume he was trying to find out if I'm a teacher, rather than my gender...]

 

He looked totally dumbstruck by my response, "unfortunately I am not yet a knight of the Queen's realm."

[X-13]

Is it legally allowed for a man to take a woman's surname after marriage? They'd probably have to make a means for that in law with same-sex marriage anyway.

 

Oh no... I can just see someone turning round to ask "which one of you is the man/woman"

[Cablers_JonPaul]

Political correctness gone mad! In my opinion a teacher should be addressed more formally than with their christian name. They deserve the respect a title denotes. If a school faculty cant manage to teach the students to use a correct title when addressing members of staff what chance does that school have in teaching its subjects.

[abillybob]

I think deep down it would hurt me if my other half decided she didn't want to take my last name, I think it's a sign of commitment and loyalty but maybe I'm just old fashioned. Although I would like to point out I'd never force her too it's her decision at the end of the day but I would be a little hurt! Bit silly I know.

[Garacesh]

I think deep down it would hurt me if my other half decided she didn't want to take my last name, I think it's a sign of commitment and loyalty but maybe I'm just old fashioned. Although I would like to point out I'd never force her too it's her decision at the end of the day but I would be a little hurt! Bit silly I know.

 

On the flip side, would you consider taking hers if she didn't want to change?

[Bompalompalomp]

I wouldn't wish my last name upon any poor soul, but at the same time I wouldn't want to lose it! Double-barrelled for me, if I liked the ring of it.

[abillybob]

On the flip side, would you consider taking hers if she didn't want to change?

 

Hmmmmm I would if I liked the name, her last name is Cadwallader so just because I don't like it probably not but I would consider it if she had a shorter and nicer last name This is not me being nasty either she knows all this haha! I wouldn't have any issue doing so if I liked her last name. I think it also stems back to her family who IMO are a bit rough around the edges and not very pleasant again she knows I think this and so does she sometimes, so to carry on her farthers name is something I just don't think I could do due to personal experiences.

This may have made me sound like a snob but there are reasons. But if all that weren't true I got on well with her family and her last name was slightly shorter then yes I wouldn't have an issue with it!

[Garacesh]

I wouldn't wish my last name upon any poor soul, but at the same time I wouldn't want to lose it! Double-barrelled for me, if I liked the ring of it.

 

It's not your username is it?

 

"I now declare you.. Mr.Mrs. and Mrs. Bompalompalomp."

 

I would consider it if she had a shorter and nicer last name This is not me being nasty either

Of course not - everybody has their own preference. We can all like or dislike things, so long as we're not rude about them.

My point being, if you would be disappointed for her not to take your name, what if she felt you should take hers? (I assume you'd compromise and keep your own names, of course, my point being you can't 'expect' her to do it)

Edited May 14, 2014 by Garacesh

[Bompalompalomp]

It's not your username is it?

 

"I now declare you.. Mr.Mrs. and Mrs. Bompalompalomp."

 

Bompalompalomp-Smith!

[X-13]

Mrs. and Mrs. Bompalompalomp."

 

That sounds like the intro to some dodgy dubstep...

 

It's just missing some untz/oontz and wubs.

[Tesla]

One of my old English teachers had the poshest sounding name I ever heard in school and it was double barreled....Mrs. Pennington-Roser

[Bompalompalomp]

That sounds like the intro to some dodgy dubstep...

 

It's just missing some untz/oontz and wubs.

 

It is actually from a song. +1mil rep to whoever can tell me WHAT song.

[abillybob]

Of course not - everybody has their own preference. We can all like or dislike things, so long as we're not rude about them.

My point being, if you would be disappointed for her not to take your name, what if she felt you should take hers? (I assume you'd compromise and keep your own names, of course, my point being you can't 'expect' her to do it)

 

I wouldn't go as far to say I'd 'expect' her to do it but preferably I would like her to take my last name because of the reasons above. My point is if she likes my last name, doesn't have a problem with it but still doesn't want to take it I'd be a bit disappointed as it "would show something not quite right in my eyes" kind of attitude.