GrumbleDook Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Pretty sure all public sector schools will be covered - as we're all covered by the MoU are we not? It was more a reference to those with 250+ devices on XP needing a premier contract for support ... if we have any members with *that* many devices still on XP then they really do have an issue. Yes, most will be covered and looking forward to hearing from the first member who contact CCS to ask for it all.
localzuk Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 How many schools would admit that they have 250+ devices though...
bondbill2k2 Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I noticed this weekend that Marks & Spencers are using VISTA
abillybob Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I noticed this weekend that Marks & Spencers are using VISTA Ha Fail. On another note what should we do regarding staff who have Office 2003 and Windows XP machines at home? I have a teacher that has an XP laptop and she does her work on that and brings it into the school via USB pen drive. Is this ok? I'd be really interested in how you guys are addressing these kind of problems?? The XP laptop is her own personal machine and not owned by the school in anyway!
themightymrp Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I expect this is going to be a common problem. Not really sure what the best thing to do here is? Even if they keep their AV up to date they are going to be open to so many exploits over the next couple of months. I too would like to hear others thoughts on this....
sonofsanta Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Any XP exploits that are also in Windows 7 (etc.) will be fixed in Windows 7 (etc.) so there shouldn't be too much risk of infection if you keep your machines updated. I emailed all staff recommending they upgrade, disconnect their XP machines from the internet, or assume that they are compromised and all their data could be lost at a moment's notice. We've since recommended a few new machines to staff in the last fortnight! (The Zoostorms with dual-core Pentium & 4GB RAM + a Samsung 840 EVO 120GB + Win7 licence is a surprisingly cheap and competent option.)
abillybob Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Any XP exploits that are also in Windows 7 (etc.) will be fixed in Windows 7 (etc.) so there shouldn't be too much risk of infection if you keep your machines updated. I emailed all staff recommending they upgrade, disconnect their XP machines from the internet, or assume that they are compromised and all their data could be lost at a moment's notice. We've since recommended a few new machines to staff in the last fortnight! (The Zoostorms with dual-core Pentium & 4GB RAM + a Samsung 840 EVO 120GB + Win7 licence is a surprisingly cheap and competent option.) I thought security updates where more for prevention then detect and delete so surely if an XP machine is infected with anything which is then bought over to a Windows 7 Machine that infected file will then still be able to run on Windows 7? Otherwise why would anyone need to get rid of XP as long as you have a Server 2008 R2 network?
JonThompson Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I've just set my Win 7 wallpaper to XP Bliss. It just seemed fitting on the Death Of XP Day....
sonofsanta Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I thought security updates where more for prevention then detect and delete so surely if an XP machine is infected with anything which is then bought over to a Windows 7 Machine that infected file will then still be able to run on Windows 7? Otherwise why would anyone need to get rid of XP as long as you have a Server 2008 R2 network? Anti-virus is for prevention, and would delete a virus file before it could take hold. Security updates would close the hole that the virus takes advantage of, so it can't get its hook into the system and exploit privileges etc. A virus that would wreak havoc on an XP machine would be declawed on Windows 7, if MS have patched it. Bear in mind that Windows 7 is fundamentally more secure than Windows XP as well thanks to its underlying architecture. At the end of the day - if people have XP at home, what can you do? If you tell them not to bring memory sticks in from home anymore, that'll last a fortnight until they need to bring reports in, then they're not going to care about your network, they're only going to care about not having to retype those reports. I've scaremongered to encourage upgrades, and to be honest, if a machine is old enough to have come with Windows XP it's old enough to make an upgrade worthwhile, but still - I'm essentially powerless to stop anything happening. Even if I could ban memory sticks, they'd get a virus that emailed itself to all contacts, including their work address, and then they'd open the attachment...
abillybob Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Anti-virus is for prevention, and would delete a virus file before it could take hold. Security updates would close the hole that the virus takes advantage of, so it can't get its hook into the system and exploit privileges etc. A virus that would wreak havoc on an XP machine would be declawed on Windows 7, if MS have patched it. Bear in mind that Windows 7 is fundamentally more secure than Windows XP as well thanks to its underlying architecture. At the end of the day - if people have XP at home, what can you do? If you tell them not to bring memory sticks in from home anymore, that'll last a fortnight until they need to bring reports in, then they're not going to care about your network, they're only going to care about not having to retype those reports. I've scaremongered to encourage upgrades, and to be honest, if a machine is old enough to have come with Windows XP it's old enough to make an upgrade worthwhile, but still - I'm essentially powerless to stop anything happening. Even if I could ban memory sticks, they'd get a virus that emailed itself to all contacts, including their work address, and then they'd open the attachment... It's sad because it's true *sigh*
stevenlong1985 Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 The Hilton hotel by the NEC in Birmingham still uses windows XP 1
gshaw Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I remember thinking at the time I wouldn't be able to learn XP as my home PC was too old (1997 vintage in 2001) but then got hold of some scrap PC parts for the bare minimum spec... AMD K6 233, 64MB of SIMM (!) RAM, 2GB HDD and case sides made of sheet metal because the originals were missing. That machine ran pretty damn well for a good year or two until (lack of) disk space caught up with it
googlemad Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I seem to remember downloading all the (then Whistler!) XP leaks. Many disliked the Fisher Price interface but when you were following the beta / RC process and that was suddenly introduced I was quite blown away by it all!
FN-GM Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 I seem to remember downloading all the (then Whistler!) XP leaks. Many disliked the Fisher Price interface but when you were following the beta / RC process and that was suddenly introduced I was quite blown away by it all! Windows was gray and boring for years, the blue interface was great.
gshaw Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Windows was gray and boring for years, the blue interface was great. The XP Royale Noir black theme ripped from Windows XP Media Center Edition was much better though
Arthur Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 The XP Royale Noir black theme ripped from Windows XP Media Center Edition was much better though The Watercolour theme (which was based on the theme Whistler came with) was pretty cool too.
glennda Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 85% Of 800,000 NHS still are on XP (i'll see if i can find the source for this)
Devontechie Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) I can top that the QE Hospital and most of South Birmingham NHS use XP... Sat admiring the old OS as I got beat up by the physio today. The odd thing is why would the QE which was built in 2011 have XP unless software won't run on newer version of windows? Most nhs run on xp.. I know that the local hospitals to me do. Guys & St thomas in london do! @glennda you beat me to it! Lol! Edited April 8, 2014 by Devontechie
spacebar Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 I can see XP being used by people like the NHS for many years to come. It is just too much hassle to replace the OS in places such as that. The government will likely have to pay another 5 million next year, but that does seem quite a lot. Surely the government could employ someone or a group of people to create patches for them that would not cost 5M a year.
free780 Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 Though most schools/colleges have managed it. Even with some of the high quality educational software we support.
localzuk Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 I can see XP being used by people like the NHS for many years to come. It is just too much hassle to replace the OS in places such as that. The government will likely have to pay another 5 million next year, but that does seem quite a lot. Surely the government could employ someone or a group of people to create patches for them that would not cost 5M a year. How would that work? The government don't have the source code and aren't the original developers. They'd be seriously disadvantaged doing it that way. Not to mention, using Microsoft's pricing scheme, the price would double next year. Replacing an OS is a hassle, sure, but supporting legacy systems is even more annoying and expensive.
GREED Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 Sorry... how many years have we all known XP support was going? We have had Windows 7 which has been pretty good for years too, ok it is no XP. There has been plenty of time to organise upgrading. It is a ridiculous situation 1
TheGoodGuy Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 The Hilton hotel by the NEC in Birmingham still uses windows XP So that´s how they managed not to receive my booking! Gotta chase that up when I get back from Brazil.
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