abillybob Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) "further lock customers into our ecosystem" Well we all knew the truth in the end, what do you guys think? Steve Jobs Planned 'Holy War' with Google Edited April 7, 2014 by abillybob
SovietRussia Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 I read in his autobiography that he literally wanted to blow up Google
Arthur Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) I read in his autobiography that he literally wanted to blow up Google I don't think literally is quite the right word. “I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.” Jobs used an expletive to describe Android and Google Docs, Google’s Internet-based word processing program. In a subsequent meeting with Schmidt at a Palo Alto, Calif., cafe, Jobs told Schmidt that he wasn't interested in settling the lawsuit, the book says. “I don’t want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that’s all I want.” The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing. (Source) Edited April 7, 2014 by Arthur
localzuk Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Not even slightly surprising. It follows their business model exactly. They are all about the lock-in.
Bananas Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 As genius as the guy was he was clearly barking at this point
localzuk Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 The problem I have with his anger at Android and Google is that it is pretty damn hypocritical. Yes, some things in Android are similar to iOS but then how much of Apple's historic product portfolio was completely free of this kind of thing?
LosOjos Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) The problem I have with his anger at Android and Google is that it is pretty damn hypocritical. Yes, some things in Android are similar to iOS but then how much of Apple's historic product portfolio was completely free of this kind of thing? Exactly, the amount of ideas Apple 'stole' (using Jobs' definition of the word) from Xerox is untrue, including the GUI that Apple later tried to sue MS for... astonishing. It also annoys me that they sue for the most ridiculous things, such as the current case against Samsung which includes action over "swipe to unlock" - how else are you supposed to unlock a touch screen phone for $deity's sake?! EDIT: here's another good one made all the more interesting by the above email, Apple filed a patent for the Notification Bar despite the fact it's clearly 'stolen' from Android Edited April 7, 2014 by LosOjos
localzuk Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 I think half the problem with the current litigation obsession is that the US enables it. The US Patent Office is a farce and the courts let this crap happen constantly. There's no proper oversight for patent applications, and no proper fallout if something is wrongly patented, leading to hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on useless litigation. If you happen to be a small player, you've basically had it if Apple or someone comes along and patents something you've been doing for 20 years, as you simply can't afford to take them on.
Arthur Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) how else are you supposed to unlock a touch screen phone for $deity's sake?! Pattern unlock, PIN unlock (static or dynamic), password unlock, location unlock, face unlock, voice unlock, fingerprint unlock (or just don't lock it at all). Edited April 7, 2014 by Arthur
LosOjos Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Pattern unlock, PIN unlock (static or dynamic), password unlock, location unlock, face unlock, voice unlock, biometric unlock (or just don't lock it at all). OK but they are all more complex than simply swiping your finger across a screen (with the exception of not locking it at all which no manufacturer has made default since *at least* the Nokia 5110 [only name that phone as it's the first I remember owning with a screen lock]) My point is it's ridiculous to expect to patent something so fundamentally obvious and necessary that there is no practical way of doing it any differently. Edited April 7, 2014 by LosOjos
DrCheese Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 My point is it's ridiculous to expect to patent something so fundamentally obvious and necessary that there is no practical way of doing it any differently. Blame the system, not Apple. If they hadn't patented it, someone else would have eventually. They would be doing a disservice to their stockholders not to.
Bananas Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Whereas blowing your company's total cash fund is in the interest. He had borderline personality issues (let's face it most of us do) I wonder if he actually believed some of rhetoric he came out with. The patent system in the US is blatantly not fit for purpose but they're never going to reform it when it's prejudiced in an American company's favour
LosOjos Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Blame the system, not Apple. If they hadn't patented it, someone else would have eventually. They would be doing a disservice to their stockholders not to. I agree that the system stinks. In the US the problem is two-fold; an incredibly flawed "sell to the highest bidder" patent system combined with a CEOs obligation by law to do what is best for their shareholders i.e. make the biggest profit (I know it's not that simple in practice but it's more often than not what it amounts to). What I disagree with is Apple actively suing others when they know they're not the rightful owners of some of their patents, they were just the bidders with the most cash/best lawyers. It's one thing to buy patents to protect your company, it's quite another to take legal action over those patents.
foofighterjim Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 The patent system in the US is blatantly not fit for purpose but they're never going to reform it when it's prejudiced in an American company's favour Not to mention that the US Government don't even hide the fact: Obama Administration Backs Apple in Patent Dispute with Samsung - Law Blog - WSJ
psydii Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Exactly, the amount of ideas Apple 'stole' (using Jobs' definition of the word) from Xerox is untrue, including the GUI that Apple later tried to sue MS for... astonishing. It also annoys me that they sue for the most ridiculous things, such as the current case against Samsung which includes action over "swipe to unlock" - how else are you supposed to unlock a touch screen phone for $deity's sake?! EDIT: here's another good one made all the more interesting by the above email, Apple filed a patent for the Notification Bar despite the fact it's clearly 'stolen' from Android http://www-sul.stanford.edu/mac/parc.html Stole as in were 'shown' for the purpose of furthering xerox's investment in Apple. The gist of the apple vs google feud is that Google had a board member at apple who clearly was taking broad ideas he learned there back to google... Probably green lighting ideas that mapped to what Apple was developing and holding back ideas that broke that model... As to avoid personal legal blow back. Don't forget that when apple starting pulling this technology together they were still the underdog, and had barely turned the corner from facing bankruptcy... The product that was to become ios and the associated hardware took a lot of time and money to develop into a working desirable package. You may have forgotten how predominantly awful smartphones PDAs and tablet were before 2007, and those that were any good were completely different to the paradigms used by ios. I'd say that Steve was right to be annoyed. In the end though for us consumers, the viable patents help differentiate the products and give us choice, because that is what we want right? Edited April 7, 2014 by psydii
DrCheese Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 It's one thing to buy patents to protect your company, it's quite another to take legal action over those patents. Don't really have much choice if they want to protect those patents.. Damned if they do, damned if they don't
featured_spectre Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 The 1 thing I like about Apple? iTunes. As much as people hate it, it works for the home devices (such as iPhones and iPods etc). Especially with the air feature. Now you know I am not exactly anti-Apple, but I do dislike most of their products, but in this instance, with the exception of spotify, they have everyone over a barrel. Google music is frankly, carp, Sony music is carp, iTunes did it right...however the problem with it is you do not own anything you "buy" on iTunes. It is a lifetime lease. Bruce Willis want to have his entire iTunes library (some 10'000 albums of 1000 films or something close too it) in his will to distribute to his daughters, however upon the T&Cs inspection, you are effectively leasing. If they changed it so that you own it, then I would buy my music/films etc from iTunes.
abillybob Posted April 7, 2014 Author Posted April 7, 2014 The 1 thing I like about Apple? iTunes. As much as people hate it, it works for the home devices (such as iPhones and iPods etc). Especially with the air feature. Now you know I am not exactly anti-Apple, but I do dislike most of their products, but in this instance, with the exception of spotify, they have everyone over a barrel. Google music is frankly, carp, Sony music is carp, iTunes did it right...however the problem with it is you do not own anything you "buy" on iTunes. It is a lifetime lease. Bruce Willis want to have his entire iTunes library (some 10'000 albums of 1000 films or something close too it) in his will to distribute to his daughters, however upon the T&Cs inspection, you are effectively leasing. If they changed it so that you own it, then I would buy my music/films etc from iTunes. If you are effectively leasing the music etc... you buy from iTunes then surely schools and the like couldn't use the songs or manipulate the songs? Have you got a source backing this I'd be very interested in seeing it??
Arthur Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 My point is it's ridiculous to expect to patent something so fundamentally obvious and necessary that there is no practical way of doing it any differently. There are plenty of ways of doing slide-to-unlock differently. You don't necessarily have to copy the method used in iOS 6 of sliding your finger from left to right along a predefined path at the bottom of the touchscreen. You could slide your finger from right to left or top to bottom for example.
LosOjos Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 There are plenty of ways of doing slide-to-unlock differently. You don't necessarily have to copy the method used in iOS 6 of sliding your finger from left to right along a predefined path at the bottom of the touchscreen. You could slide your finger from right to left or top to bottom for example. On TouchWiz (Samsung's implementation of the Android Launcher), you can slide your finger any direction you want to unlock the screen
featured_spectre Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 If you are effectively leasing the music etc... you buy from iTunes then surely schools and the like couldn't use the songs or manipulate the songs? Have you got a source backing this I'd be very interested in seeing it?? Bruce Willis fights to leave his iPod tunes to his family: Actor considering legal action against Apple in battle over who owns songs downloaded from iTunes | Mail Online Bruce Willis to fight Apple over iTunes rights Bruce Willis to fight Apple over right to leave iTunes library in will | Film | theguardian.com
SYNACK Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 The 1 thing I like about Apple? iTunes. As much as people hate it, it works for the home devices (such as iPhones and iPods etc). Especially with the air feature. Now you know I am not exactly anti-Apple, but I do dislike most of their products, but in this instance, with the exception of spotify, they have everyone over a barrel. Google music is frankly, carp, Sony music is carp, iTunes did it right...however the problem with it is you do not own anything you "buy" on iTunes. It is a lifetime lease. Bruce Willis want to have his entire iTunes library (some 10'000 albums of 1000 films or something close too it) in his will to distribute to his daughters, however upon the T&Cs inspection, you are effectively leasing. If they changed it so that you own it, then I would buy my music/films etc from iTunes. ITunes is TERRIBLE, MS should not have killed off Zune, that managed the same stuff but did not bring every PC ever made to its knees thanks to purposefully terrible coding. Apple is doing its best to service its shareholders for only the small price of the rest of the human population. Personally I think the US legal system needs to burn in a fire as it is far nastier than the system their forefathers immigrated to supposedly escape. I think they were just pissed they didn't think of a totalitarian system first and planed to do it better in several hundred years. To be fair they are managing it, selling off laws to Apple and any company that can effect their three or four yearly popularity contents. It has even spread to other nations where you can buy laws in the States then have them force them on other nations. Just look at the new NZ copyright laws which were proven to be written by some lobbyist in the US with a big check book and then the issues was forced by a big well armed nation heavily suggesting that it be applied in NZ and Australia. The US makes me sick and I would rather fly into Tehran wearing a Jewish cap and star of David than visit the US as I would actually feel safer. At least Iran is honest about crushing the will of the masses and hating 'outsiders'. Apple seems to extend these policies brilliantly charging more for everything outside the US and other companies like MS do the same by disregarding anyone outside the US as a matter of course. There is a reason the US needs such a big military and that's because they have pissed off so many people and countries and yet still want to strong arm them into situations that are bad for them. In summary I don't think it is even Apple that is the problem anymore rather the state required douchebaggery that is expected and condoned by the country itself. Their 'democracy' is sick and the virus is spreading. 1
Arthur Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Bruce Willis wanted to have his entire iTunes library (some 10,000 albums of 1,000 films or something close to it) in his will to distribute to his daughters, however upon the T&Cs inspection, you are effectively leasing. That Bruce Willis story wasn't true btw. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. Who owns your downloaded music after you die? « CNet Earlier today, a story emerged from the British tabloids that Bruce Willis was considering suing Apple in a bid to determine who gets his iTunes music collection after his death. Perhaps something more suited for April Fool's Day? We reported it (and fell for it) and we've updated the piece to reflect that the original source was a work of fiction. (Willis' wife tweeted this morning that the story was not true). However, you are right that when someone dies the licenses are terminated and the music, movies and eBooks should be deleted (rather than transferred to relatives).
featured_spectre Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 OK, whilst he may not be suing, the point is still there...
localzuk Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 There are plenty of ways of doing slide-to-unlock differently. You don't necessarily have to copy the method used in iOS 6 of sliding your finger from left to right along a predefined path at the bottom of the touchscreen. You could slide your finger from right to left or top to bottom for example. None of those methods are significantly different, so would be covered by Apple's patent.
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