Doctor Who ?

[E_G_R2]

Been updateing our website as well as following this thread. Multi tasking, must be a lady

[Garacesh]

so hands up anyone who has done any 'work' today?

Oi. I've done work xD

 

On a somewhat related note, does anybody else find themselves impatiently drumming the 4-beats whilst waiting for progress bars to move and the like? Or is it just me?

[ICTDirect_Dave]

Ahhh you're infected by the master too?

[X-13]

If they pulled a stunt like that I may not bother watching the show again. There's only so many time that Dr Who can "jump the shark" and be forgiven in the name of Sci-Fi!

 

It depends on how they do it.

 

There's a part of the story missing [the McGann > Eccleston period] and it could be good.

 

 

Plus, the Doctor is >900 years old. At some point he's gotta snap at the BS some people/species do.

 

 

On a somewhat related note, does anybody else find themselves impatiently drumming the 4-beats whilst waiting for progress bars to move and the like? Or is it just me?

 

No, but I just noticed I've been clicking the 4-beats. [i highlight what I read...]

Edited May 20, 2013 by X-13

[unixman_again]

Did anybody see Points of View yesterday? There was a classic video with somebody bemoaning the stories weren't realistic any more.

[LiamH]

I always looked at the regeneration thing as a Timelord law rather than a biological barrier, i think the Master got "granted" additional regens for helping the doctor in an old episode, so no Timelord's = no limit to regens.

 

Unless the special episode involves saving Gallifrey

 

I think the "rumor" about him being a past incarnation between McGann and Ecclestone was from an interview where John Hurst let slip, cant find it now though.

[X-13]

There was a classic video with somebody bemoaning the stories weren't realistic any more.

 

Doctor Who... Realistic?

 

Oh yeah, I remember that time Cybermen turned up at my school.

[tmcd35]

It depends on how they do it.

 

There's a part of the story missing [the McGann > Eccleston period] and it could be good.

 

 

Plus, the Doctor is >900 years old. At some point he's gotta snap at the BS some people/species do.

 

Oh, I agree. Actually I'm hoping that is the story they are planning to tell. It's just this whole - "shit, we messed up the numbering - lets give some BS answer to make it fit" - thing that I'd have a problem with. If he is a regeneration between McGann and Eccleston then at least have the decency to call him "The Doctor" rather than feeding us with some BS as to why the incarnation doesn't count and the Dr isn't quickly running out of lives.

[ICTDirect_Dave]

Oh, I agree. Actually I'm hoping that is the story they are planning to tell. It's just this whole - "shit, we messed up the numbering - lets give some BS answer to make it fit" - thing that I'd have a problem with. If he is a regeneration between McGann and Eccleston then at least have the decency to call him "The Doctor" rather than feeding us with some BS as to why the incarnation doesn't count and the Dr isn't quickly running out of lives.

 

 

If he was the Valeyard he wouldn't be the doctor any longer. They're the same being but two completely seperate people. Though it'd still count to one of his regens if the limit rule is still in place.

 

I can only assume that by mucking around inside his own timeline (now a pocket universe or some such), that he will come out of it with a new set of regenerations maybe?

[rich_tech]

I myself assumed at the end of that episode that Hurt was the "Original" time lord from Gallifrey, who became "The Doctor" after his actions in the time war, that was the "persona" that he took on after his actions there, so Hurt was the "Original" time lord (incarnation Zero) I thought and everything else afterwards was done as "The Doctor".

 

I also believe what others do in the thread that the series has suffered a lot because of the writing, way too much on Rory and Amy I felt, no real "big baddies" at all, overall I think the writing has been poor for a while, that being said, potentially it looks awesome in November now if they deliver after that episode.

[LiamH]

I myself assumed at the end of that episode that Hurt was the "Original" time lord from Gallifrey, who became "The Doctor" after his actions in the time war, that was the "persona" that he took on after his actions there, so Hurt was the "Original" time lord (incarnation Zero) I thought and everything else afterwards was done as "The Doctor".

 

But he said that Hurts incarnation "broke" the promise which the doctor was, implying that he made that promise and called himself the doctor before Hurt came along.

[X-13]

I myself assumed at the end of that episode that Hurt was the "Original" time lord from Gallifrey, who became "The Doctor" after his actions in the time war, that was the "persona" that he took on after his actions there, so Hurt was the "Original" time lord (incarnation Zero) I thought and everything else afterwards was done as "The Doctor".

 

I though timelords got their names from staring into the voidy thing... The thing that made The Master mad.

 

 

Also, Further reading.

 

Le EDIT: Untempered Schism. That's what it's called. Not the voidy thing.

Edited May 20, 2013 by X-13

[sparkeh]

Also, Further reading.

And my head just exploded.

[ICTDirect_Dave]

And my head just exploded.

 

Good discussions on that page. Some that don't make any sense, but some that do. My money's still on some hidden 9th doctor/valeyard amalgamation.

 

I don't buy this 'picked a name to hide who he was' malarkey however. We've know for decades now that he chose his own name after coming of age. Just as the Master named himself 'Master of all' The doctor chose something similar with Doctor or the one who help everyone. He's been like that from the beginning, the new character is not the original prototype for the doc but an aberation that happened along they way.

[X-13]

And my head just exploded.

 

Introducing John Hurt

 

As

 

The man who asploded your head.

[ICTDirect_Dave]

asploded.

 

Sounds painful!

[X-13]

Sounds painful!

 

Well, it's definately surprising.

[sted]

Sorry I don't understand that.

 

I was saying that it could be possible for Hurt to be a later Doctor that the current Doctor met whilst knocking about time and space, that's how he knows who he is.

the doctor has sent himself information to a point in his timeline before he sent it so if that can happen (cant remember the episode name but the one where river "kills" him) there is also no reason why hurt cant be a future incarnation and smith still know about him (its also possible while he was in the big library where river "dies" he could of read about him as just because it hasnt happened in his personal timline dosent mean it hasnt happened). Though i tend to agree that hunts "doctor" is pre eccleston but i cant help wondering if thats what youre supposed to think and its wrong because its too easy an explanation

[tmcd35]

I might have to rewatch the episode on iPlayer I'm sure I was left with the impression that Hurt was a pre-Hartnell incarnation. Hint's about a decision that led him to stealing a TARDIS and becoming the Doctor. Certainly wasn't thinking Time War until I read this thread. That said, they've been going on about the Time War since what, Ecclestons first episode? It's about time they did something with it...

 

If it's Time War then the story fits somewhere between McGann and Eccleston because they've sown too many seeds for anything else. Valeyard is an interesting idea (I wikipedia'd it) but that would put Hurt after the the next incarnation not before Eccleston, so entirely the wrong place for the Time War to make sense (to me).

 

Have to admit, I wouldn't mind see some of the old Hartnell eps. again.

[ICTDirect_Dave]

If it's Time War then the story fits somewhere between McGann and Eccleston because they've sown too many seeds for anything else. Valeyard is an interesting idea (I wikipedia'd it) but that would put Hurt after the the next incarnation not before Eccleston, so entirely the wrong place for the Time War to make sense (to me).

 

 

The Valeyard can be any of the doctors, in the books, the 7th doctor becomes him for a while until he almost kills a little girl as reasserts control. It's not hard to imagine the events of the Time War being so horriffic that the John Hurt Doctors loses it and turns all dark and broody.

[tmcd35]

@ICTDirect_Dave, That contradicts both Wikipedia (nothing unusual there then) and @X-13's link above which suggest the Valeyard is an incarnation between 12 and 13. And the last episode said he "will be" known by that name, not "has been"...

 

...look at us arguing canon over Dr Who! A block of swiss cheese has less holes than this shows continuity. And yet, it still makes more sense than the last half of the latest Star Trek film...

[X-13]

...look at us arguing canon over Dr Who!

 

Nerd rules - 101.

 

At any point during the day, you must argue sci-fi canon.

[ICTDirect_Dave]

That is the Valeyard from the Trial of a timelord series. He has the potential to become the Valeyard at any given moment. Think of it as a hidden personality perhaps.

 

and yes, arguing SciFi is a daily requirement! Although I would call Dr Who Fantasy and not SciFi

[X-13]

Although I would call Dr Who Fantasy and not SciFi

 

It has sciency parts.

 

I'd call it Sci-fan... or Fantasci.

[sparkeh]

I'd call it FantaSci.