Ruckus Quote Please

[robknowles]

Hello,

 

I've after quotes for a Ruckus Wireless System.

 

I'm after a Ruckus ZoneDirector Controller and approx 30 wireless access points (7962 - Dual Band N (I presume it works with G Devices as well). Also a couple of 7762 External Access Points.

 

Question if Wireless G Devices connect the AP, will wireless N Speeds be affected or not?

 

PM me for details/bids if you prefer.

 

Thanks,

 

Rob

[yonytones]

Have you considered the Xirrus array system?

 

If it does what it says, why don't more people go for it?

 

I am a mature student in my final year at Bournemouth University?

 

I have seen a demo of it and it seems amazing.

 

Do any schools use the Xirrus array system?

 

Less access points, less wires

 

I don't work for them I can't understand why they are not more widely used

[featured_spectre]

Had a demo of Xirrus, and it was poor compared to ruckus. the AP's look like space ships, are wide, thick, and do not have the power of the smaller more compact ruckus kit. Ruckus is hands down the better equipment (I have 8 wireless companies come in and ruckus (curtesy of CP) spanked them hands down!) Edited February 3, 2010 by featured_spectre

[Richbrown]

I can say from personal experience Xirrus are not very good to work with. Sorry if that offends but it's true.

[chomperhead]

Our college is installing Xirrus right now. Just got done with testing various systems, including Aruba, Cisco, and Ruckus. Ruckus is good if you're looking for minimum users on 2.4Ghz only. Aruba and Cisco are a step up as they'll give you better performance and security on both 2.4 and 5GHz. All of these are limited though to two radio per AP.

 

We chose Xirrus -- these Arrays (as they call them) put several 2.4 and 5GHz radios into a single device like mobile towers. One Array is covering 90 pupils across three of our classrooms...all streaming video simultaneously.

 

The other guys only supported 16 users per AP -- it's simple math -- 8 video users per radio x 2 radios = 16 users. Xirrus had 8 video users per radio x 16 radios = 128 users.

 

Anyone telling you Ruckus spanked the big guys either goofed on the testing or is getting a kick back of some type. Numbers don't lie.

[billabong]

Both Xirrus and Ruckus are making noise down unda. We replaced our wired network last year and were swayed to Xirrus after attending the Microsoft PDC conference while on holiday in CA. We are a small school, so we tend to look at what the big guys do. Microsoft said it was best system they found for supporting user density. A military bloke I was chatting with the other night told me that them Marines just bought in on Xirrus too. Anyway...good luck on your choice mate.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHRVDCwPnU]YouTube- Microsoft Events Selects Xirrus to Deliver Ultra-High Wi-Fi[/ame]

[Nomorelies]

We deployed Xirrus here in West Sussex and there are 8 or more of my peers locally with Xirrus site wide and it works like a dream and the local Xirrus guy, Simon Hollister was the most responsive, honest, educated engineer we met from any vendor, and yes we investigated Ruckus (Sponsor of this "independant" website), Aruba, Extricom and the other players but only Xirrus could give us capacity for 1500+ clients concurrently. Do the maths, 8 radios or 2.... , distributed architecture or bandwidth bottlenecking controllers. Only 1 winner, Xirrus.

 

I see you are based in Kent? We were taken to several Xirrus deployments including 2 in Kent who couldn't say a bad word about Xirrus. I know Simon looks after Kent so i'll ask him about you and see if he validates your experience.

[Dos_Box]

If I was the suspicious type I would wonder why posters from all over the world have decided to make their first posts right in this thread, and all recommending the same product. What are the odds eh? Edited February 3, 2010 by Dos_Box

[Dos_Box]

And for some reason Chomperhead and Billabong are sharing the same IP address!

It's just a whole day of coincedences today.

[maniac]

And for some reason Chomperhead and Billabong are sharing the same IP address!

It's just a whole day of coincedences today.

 

Wow, sussex to Australia in 1hr 27mins, what airline you flying?

[Dos_Box]

And Yony and Nomorelies seem to be using BT Servers pretty close to each other.........

Time for the ban hammer in the mornign and for us all to have a nice serious talk about Xirrus, their marketing dept and just how good is their kit for schools (price, performance etc). Right here...in the open....where everyone can see it. That'll be nice.

[cookie_monster]

I was getting wireless network performance unlike anything I’d ever seen before.

 

This was my first experience with beamforming, something I’d only seen vague mention of on long-term WiMAX roadmaps. But here it was in an 802.11n access point from a company I’d never heard of, and it blew away everything I’d ever seen a wireless product do before.

 

Guess what AP the respected Tom's Hardware are talking about.

 

Beamforming: The Best WiFi You?ve Never Seen : Open-Mouthed Amazement - Review Tom's Hardware

 

 

 

Oh and we're very impressed with our Ruckus kit

[nicholab]

Ruckus is used at one of the most prestigious schools in the country I been to see it. My personal opinions is I would like to see the central solution work we have very large RSJ and I am sure it would cause problems.

[Nomorelies]

How much did you guys cost. Did Ruckus give you a little fluffy dog to play with, are you that cheap? You add zero value to your institutions and obviously do not understand physics let alone Wi-Fi. I bet you spend your life playing Call of Duty. Go and configure a desktop, its about your level.

[EduTech]

How much did you guys cost. Did Ruckus give you a little fluffy dog to play with, are you that cheap? You add zero value to your institutions and obviously do not understand physics let alone Wi-Fi. I bet you spend your life playing Call of Duty. Go and configure a desktop, its about your level.

 

I dont think there is any need for that is there now, everyone is just recommending a product that works very well and as i am yet to hear 1 bad word about it and with many schools purchasing ruckus and implementing it and no one having any problems it cant be cheap and nasty for schools.. can it?

 

I remember a comment made to me buy people on the Xirrus stand informing me that they had been banned.. the way everything is adding together at the moment and what it looks like i really am not suprised that that happend.

 

Be Fair and Be Nice! that.. or the ban hammer will come out early

 

James.

[Dos_Box]

No. These guys manage hundreds of systems and thousands of users. They manage budgets, they test kit and trust what information they get via EduGeek. They are professionals in every sense of the word and don't like to throw money away, especially on large projects such as site wide managed wireless roll outs. Ruckus may not have all the bells and whistles of higher end kit, but, to be honest, it doesn't need too. It does what we want without the excess cost. Many of our members use other solutions such as Maru and Blue Socket, and they speak highly of them too. It's just that with Ruckus we found a company which was willing to let us play with the kit first. We found it to be excellent, and the rest is history.

[nicholab]

Yes time for an edugeek Xirrus vs Ruckus vs Cisco vs HP vs Aruba shoot out.

[Dos_Box]

Yes time for an edugeek Xirrus vs Ruckus vs Cisco vs HP vs Aruba shoot out.

 

Heh, once the new version of the site is ready we will be having a reviews section, something sadly lacking ATM.

[billabong]

And for some reason Chomperhead and Billabong are sharing the same IP address!

It's just a whole day of coincedences today.

Let's not jump to conclusions Dos-Box. Chomperhead and I are not trying to hide anything. We're both sitting here at an ASEE education conference in S.California...both a long way from home. We are friends...at least after meeting and agreeing that Xirrus has a great solution for how we're using Wi-Fi. Is there anything wrong with giving our honest and non-agressive opinions regarding what we've experienced with vendors?

 

I see a lot of Ruckus love here and no one seems to be accusing them of being sockpuppets for Ruckus or Ruckus marketing.

 

EduGeek, please don't ban Chomperhead or myself. We have not done anything contrary to the EduGeek agreement or the spirit of this forum.

 

We are just relating our honest experiences in an attempt to help the original question asked. I for one would love to see a fair bake-off. 90 802.11n 5GHz netbooks in three classrooms streaming video simultaneously. As part of the test, include the scalability costs associated with each offering (devices, cable runs, switch ports, time line, etc). For what it's worth -- this is what we did, and Xirrus came in on top - no fluff. Would be willing to help anyone replicate what we did.

 

Anyways, best and glad I can be apart of this forum.

Edited February 4, 2010 by billabong
spelling error on netboks

[billabong]

Wow, sussex to Australia in 1hr 27mins, what airline you flying?

That would be some airline;)

 

No, we're both sitting here in Palm Springs enjoying some nice weather mate. Not as nice as summer, but pretty close.

[EduTech]

@billabong - Would it be this conference your attending: ASEE.org - Conferences - 2010 Conference for Industry and Education Collaboration (CIEC) - Introduction

 

Just curious

[cookie_monster]

Nomorelies

How much did you guys cost. Did Ruckus give you a little fluffy dog to play with, are you that cheap? You add zero value to your institutions and obviously do not understand physics let alone Wi-Fi. I bet you spend your life playing Call of Duty. Go and configure a desktop, its about your level. me

 

Not called for.

 

Let's not jump to conclusions Dos-Box. Chomperhead and I are not trying to hide anything. We're both sitting here at an ASEE education conference in S.California...both a long way from home. We are friends...at least after meeting and agreeing that Xirrus has a great solution for how we're using Wi-Fi. Is there anything wrong with giving our honest and non-agressive opinions regarding what we've experienced with vendors?

 

I see a lot of Ruckus love here and no one seems to be accusing them of being sockpuppets for Ruckus or Ruckus marketing.

 

EduGeek, please don't ban Chomperhead or myself. We have not done anything contrary to the EduGeek agreement or the spirit of this forum.

 

We are just relating our honest experiences in an attempt to help the original question asked. I for one would love to see a fair bake-off. 90 802.11n 5GHz netbooks in three classrooms streaming video simultaneously. As part of the test, include the scalability costs associated with each offering (devices, cable runs, switch ports, time line, etc). For what it's worth -- this is what we did, and Xirrus came in on top - no fluff. Would be willing to help anyone replicate what we did.

 

Anyways, best and glad I can be apart of this forum.

 

 

 

 

Well maybe one time you can come to the Edugeek conference and demonstrate this kit. Ruckus have done this on a few occasions so many Edugeek members have seen the kit in action in more than one location setup on the fly and working very well. It's been demonstrated working throughout an awkward building in a mesh setup where quite a few people thought it wouldn't work, it exceeded everyone’s expectations.

 

This is where Ruckus win the kit works and Ruckus (well Net-Ctrl) are willing to put their money where their mouth is and demo it to a large group of people and let us (Edugeek members) use it on the day.

 

So you see we're not throwing money away we're investing in a product that we've seen operating well first hand and 'know' is installed and meeting the requirements in many schools.

 

That sounds like well reasoned thinking to me

Edited February 4, 2010 by cookie_monster

[ninjabeaver]

How much did you guys cost. Did Ruckus give you a little fluffy dog to play with, are you that cheap? You add zero value to your institutions and obviously do not understand physics let alone Wi-Fi. I bet you spend your life playing Call of Duty. Go and configure a desktop, its about your level.

 

 

That made me laugh. I've been in this job for a good few years now and it's still funny to see mature people loose their rag when they get blown out of the water.

 

Reason I went with Ruckus. Because Net-Ctrl took the time to come to my school with no promise of a sale, spent the day with myself and my two techs. Did a survey of the school with us in tow, spoke to the SMT and did a demo for them. THey also took the time to explain the various parts of the console, thus showing us how easy and simple it is to configure and install. On top of that we invited another school tech team to look as well. They then lent us the kit FOC for a month and also came back and installed another demo for us for an important presentation with 32 students and 16 staff members doing video streaming, video conferencing etc and it worked flawlessley.

 

I did not get a fluffy dog, I got damn good service and at a damn good price when I purchased the equipment.

 

[featured_spectre]

90 802.11n 5GHz netbooks in three classrooms streaming video simultaneously. As part of the test, include the scalability costs associated with each offering (devices, cable runs, switch ports, time line, etc). For what it's worth -- this is what we did, and Xirrus came in on top - no fluff. Would be willing to help anyone replicate what we did.

 

Anyways, best and glad I can be apart of this forum.

 

I can beat that

 

96 netbooks, 45 laptops, 30 wireless PC's, 3 iPhones, 12 iPod touches, 19 iMac's....

 

all streaming BBC iPlayer (which is the biggest bottleneck in the UK as is my understanding), all of 1 802.11n Ruckus access point, compared to a Xirrus 802.11n Access point where could only get 85 netbooks attached before it started to clog the connection.

 

Our test for the equipment we had trialed included Ruckus, Xirrus, Aruba, Meru, Cisco, DLink, Belkin, and HP. The order in which we found had the best connection throughput, and most symultanious streaming of iPlayer was as follows

1. Ruckus
   
2. Meru
   
3. Cisco
   
4. Xirrus (*edit* fixed spelling)
   
5. Aruba
   
6. HP
   
7. Belkin
   
8. DLink

This is how we viewed it and we purchased not because of what was on the forums, but because of our own research at my establishment. We spent months deciding what was the right kit for us, and what was the best way to impliment it.

 

Each kit would have meant we used less access points than what we had, we cannot deny that, but the test results from our research was clear.

Edited February 4, 2010 by featured_spectre

[SimpleSi]

Just for balance - I wasn't happy when my Ruckus kit didn't place nice with my samsung NC10s cause it didn't come with latest firmware

 

Once I was hand held through the upgradet (by a guy from net-ctrl on his day off sick from home ) they've been fine ever since

 

Now I'm just using it in a small primary and had there been loads of posts around here saying something else just works (and affordable) - I'd looked at that as well.

 

I considered the well priced netgear managed system but i considered the "physics" of a Ruckus AP (being an RF Engineer in my past life) and went for that.

 

Whats the ballpark figure for an 8 classroom school for this Xirrus kit - my Ruckus 6AP/1 controller was about £2 - 2.5k.

 

regards

 

Simon