Popular Post steve Posted January 23, 2008 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2008 Being the geek I am, I've spent all evening trying to find out who's been awarded a BSF contract for a managed ICT contract. These are the ones I've found so far: Bradford SUN? Bristol City of Northgate Information Solutions Gateshead Morse Greenwich VT Education and Skills Hackney RM Islington RM Knowsley RM Lambeth RM Lancashire Redstone Communications Leeds RM Leicester Northgate Information Solutions Lewisham VT Education and Skills Manchester Ramesys Limited Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle LA with Dell Sheffield Civica Solihull RM South Tyneside Morse Stoke-on-Trent RM Sunderland RM Waltham Forest Ramesys Limited Westminster Ramesys Limited Now this is where you can all help - do you work in one of these LAs? Have I got the contract winner correct? Do you work in a different LA that has awarded a contract? If you have any more info, send it to me in a PM - I'll update my list and keep the edugeek faithful up to date. 14
Gatt Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Hmm.... Salford are keeping things behind closed doors.. cant find any information about the ICT side of it..
steve Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 Can we wiki it Russ I was think that myself last night in bed Any other info we want to include? I thought along the lines of: Value of ICT contract Start date of contract Wave of BSF Was ICT a separate tender? Link to supplier / Link to news of award Any more? I'll start a wiki tonight .....
Gatt Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I hope to God it's not RM or Ramesys that win it for Salford
russdev Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Steve feel free to add it to edugeek wiki very useful.. Russ
GrumbleDook Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Well RM are gonna be rolling the money... It has been noted by a few people (including their rivals) that RM are usually only winning where they already have a significant presence. I will ask P4S if they have an easier list to manage ...
torledo Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Being the geek I am, I've spent all evening trying to find out who's been awarded a BSF contract for a managed ICT contract. These are the ones I've found so far: Bradford SUN? Bristol City of Northgate Information Solutions Gateshead Morse Greenwich VT Education and Skills Hackney RM Islington RM Knowsley RM Lambeth RM Lancashire Redstone Communications Leeds RM Leicester Northgate Information Solutions Lewisham VT Education and Skills Manchester Ramesys Limited Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle LA with Dell Sheffield Civica Solihull RM South Tyneside Morse Stoke-on-Trent RM Sunderland RM Waltham Forest Ramesys Limited Westminster Ramesys Limited Now this is where you can all help - do you work in one of these LAs? Have I got the contract winner correct? Do you work in a different LA that has awarded a contract? If you have any more info, send it to me in a PM - I'll update my list and keep the edugeek faithful up to date. Is RM big enough to handle all those contracts, and the doubtless several more they are likely to win. I think RM can only manage all these by TUPing existing school staff aswell as working in partnership with the various LA IT depts
CyberNerd Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I may be wrong, but I though Northgate subcontracted to RM, so all Northgate schools will be CC3 as well?
broc Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Is RM big enough to handle all those contracts, and the doubtless several more they are likely to win. I think RM can only manage all these by TUPing existing school staff aswell as working in partnership with the various LA IT depts TUPE is part & parcel of the managed services process, it gets the staff off the school/LA payroll while leaving the employer with a 'clear' conscience. In all the discussions I have had with people involved in the BSF process this has been openly discussed as part of the plan. I believe even those LAs who have managed to jointly bid with private companies intend to transfer staff from the school to the managed service provider, even if that turns out to be a different part of the LA.
Deaks Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I may be wrong, but I though Northgate subcontracted to RM, so all Northgate schools will be CC3 as well? Northgate were bidding against RM here in Kent. RM themselves in their discussions said that if they won the system they put put in would NOT be either CC3 or ConnectFour but something else.
russdev Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Yes Rm winning does not mean they will install cc3/cc4 depends on lea. Russ
GrumbleDook Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Ranger is always an option for RM, as is plain vanilla.
Jamie2000uk Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 We have got Northgate All we know if our system going to me micrsoft based with one low grade Technician left in every school to clear paper jams etc everyone else will be at the centre which we belive to be at EMBC Also the servers will be kept there which as rubbish. So things are looking a bit bleak for the future of IT Jamie
GrumbleDook Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 The EMBC and the Leicester BSF are two separate things. I have seen nothing in the specs to say that huge chunks of central servers are going to be at the EMBC data centres. I would be interested to hear where you got this info. PM if you can.
steve Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 OK, its on the wiki now with a few contract values on there too. Feel free to add any other LAs when they award contracts. All this reading about BSF is quiet depressing, the number of docs I've read inferring we are all amateurs and what's needed is a quality managed system
tech_guy Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Does anyone have any news of what is planned for Warwickshire?
steve Posted January 25, 2008 Author Posted January 25, 2008 The first 6 waves can be seen here: http://www.bsf.gov.uk/projects/# I think waves 7 and beyond don't start to get funding until 2010/2012 so add 3-5 years on top of that for consultation and building phases. We're in wave 7+ so I'm hoping it'll be at least 2012 before any TUPE here.
beeswax Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 The first 6 waves can be seen here: http://www.bsf.gov.uk/projects/# I think waves 7 and beyond don't start to get funding until 2010/2012 so add 3-5 years on top of that for consultation and building phases. We're in wave 7+ so I'm hoping it'll be at least 2012 before any TUPE here. If it's any consolation, we're in Wave 4 and don't expect to be TUPE'd until sometime around 2010-12, and then this will be done on a rolling basis as each school comes under the managed service provider.
mrforgetful Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Wow, seems we're a Wave 1 Pathfinder...nothing's even being mentioned here about anything building related or job related...
GrumbleDook Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Pathfinders are a completely separate thing. A variety of things are being tried at pathfinders and the funding is different too ... they are being used to feed back into the scheme to help improve things.
Grommit Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) Being the geek I am, I've spent all evening trying to find out who's been awarded a BSF contract for a managed ICT contract. These are the ones I've found so far: Bradford SUN? Bristol City of Northgate Information Solutions Gateshead Morse Greenwich VT Education and Skills Hackney RM Islington RM Knowsley RM Lambeth RM Lancashire Redstone Communications Leeds RM Leicester Northgate Information Solutions Lewisham VT Education and Skills Manchester Ramesys Limited Newcastle upon Tyne Newcastle LA with Dell Sheffield Civica Solihull RM South Tyneside Morse Stoke-on-Trent RM Sunderland RM Waltham Forest Ramesys Limited Westminster Ramesys Limited Now this is where you can all help - do you work in one of these LAs? Have I got the contract winner correct? Do you work in a different LA that has awarded a contract? If you have any more info, send it to me in a PM - I'll update my list and keep the edugeek faithful up to date. Kent has just fallen to Northgate.... Warwickshire and Lanarkshire (?) are all RM as well as they have had contracts there for years Edited January 28, 2008 by Grommit
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