browolf Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 afaik there's the windows components, the fonts and a program to delete pre dot net components. the first two bits are ok. but the pre dot net stuff. I think we might have some laptops/workstations that had pre dot net sims on, but im not prepared to check all 100ish of them just to find a few. there must be another way to do this. if there are some files I can check for in the login script I can automake a list of computers that need doing. incidently what happens if the files dont get removed?
apeo Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Not sure if you already know this but there is a utility that can check for you but im not sure if its viable for the network tho as it is suggested that its done manually.
projector1 Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 afaik there's the windows components, the fonts and a program to delete pre dot net components. the first two bits are ok. but the pre dot net stuff. I think we might have some laptops/workstations that had pre dot net sims on, but im not prepared to check all 100ish of them just to find a few. there must be another way to do this. if there are some files I can check for in the login script I can automake a list of computers that need doing. incidently what happens if the files dont get removed? we are in the same situation, i am trailling a few msi makers to hopefully save walking to all the pc's and workstations.
browolf Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 i dont know how good that would be, the trouble is its an installer to delete files. different machines may need different files deleting...
projector1 Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 I have started the process manually using lanview to save valuable time as we migrate to sql 2005 next week.
eejit Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 I have started the process manually using lanview to save valuable time as we migrate to sql 2005 next week. Next week? 8O Cool, please keep us informed as to how it's going. Being Capita of course, the whole thing will go without any hitches I'm sure.
enjay Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 i dont know how good that would be, the trouble is its an installer to delete files. different machines may need different files deleting... You could presumably create an MSI which would delete all the files which might be on the PCs, and then run that - if it comes to a file which for some reason isn't on a specific PC then it will just move on to the next file. I'm dreading the Autumn update - I wonder if anyone would notice if I stopped doing SIMS upgrades.... :-)
ajbritton Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 I have had to create a silent installer for the SIMS Infrastructure Update and have turned up something interesting in the process. It appears that the .NET 2.0 is not included in the package. Yes, I know that .NET 3.0 includes .NET 2.0, but this cannot be used to install on Windows 2000, which is why the .NET 2.0 should be there. I'v I would be interested to hear from anyone who has successfully used the Infrastructure Update to update a Windows 2000 Pro PC and has positively identified .NET 2.0 as having been installed. It's not a particular problem for me or the sites I support, but if it is the case that the update does not do what it says on the tin, it raises concerns over the quality of the testing that the package received. If anyone is interested, I can PM them breakdown of exactly what is in the package and how to extract the individual files. This makes silent installation a lot easier!
DreddMetal Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 I was under the impression that the installer would execute not matter what OS your running on and kick off the .net2 install then move onto the .net3, at which point it would fail if you were only on 2000 but leave .net2 installed. Of course i could be wrong, not actually tested it myself.
ajbritton Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 I've now had a confirmation from my post on the Capita support net (from a user, not Capita themselves) that the currently available version of the SIMS .NET Infrastructure Update does not appear to contain the .NET 2 installer required for Windows 2000.
ajbritton Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 It's official. The current SIMS .NET Infrastructure Update download does not include the .NET 2.0 installer. There is a thread on the SupportNet Technical forum entitled 'Infrastructure Update - .NET 2 ??' with details. UPDATE: SupportNet link
enjay Posted July 25, 2007 Posted July 25, 2007 It's official. The current SIMS .NET Infrastructure Update download does not include the .NET 2.0 installer. Thread on SupportNet is here if anyone is interested: SupportNet Unless I'm mistaken, Capita no longer support Win2K so I would be surprised to find Win2K installers in the updates...
ajbritton Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 It's official. The current SIMS .NET Infrastructure Update download does not include the .NET 2.0 installer. Thread on SupportNet is here if anyone is interested: SupportNet Unless I'm mistaken, Capita no longer support Win2K so I would be surprised to find Win2K installers in the updates... Then you are mistaken, but not by much. Capita are effectively ending support for Win2K clients in Feb '08. The Infrastructure Update is supposed to include the .NET 2.0 update however. @Geoff: Thanks for that. I'll edit the post.
Jobos Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Does that mean that schools with win 2K servers will be forced to upgrade?
Guest Guest Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Does that mean that schools with win 2K servers will be forced to upgrade? Oh please god no. If it does our LEA/support team dont know about it as most of our admin computers are win2k. U shouldnt be the one who gets the hassle but... plus it will probably be expected that its our budget that pays for the upgrades
CyberNerd Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 TCO isn't mentioned in the capita/LEA sales pitch.
webman Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 TCO isn't mentioned in the capita/LEA sales pitch. I wonder why
ajbritton Posted August 18, 2007 Posted August 18, 2007 AFAIK, it's only 2K workstations which are being dropped in Feb 08.
tomscaper Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 I have been looking at installing the update silent, and i noticed that running the exe with the /s will install this silent with out any user prompting. As i already have a script in auto it that runs the rest of the executables i have just added this to the end. It seems to run and install fine.
ajbritton Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 That's not going to work. The internal logic of the update is such that it re-runs the SIMSInfrastructureSetup.exe ONLY if required. This is a compressed InstallShield setup which does not run silently by default. I'm guessing that whatever PCs you have tested on, they did not need the SIMSInfrastructureSetup to be re-run. Looking at SETUP.WSE, the SIMSInfrastructureSetup is only executed if certain registry keys exist or if %ProgramFiles%\Common Files\SIMS\COM\CESDb.DLL is found.
tomscaper Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 so what did the /s from the command prompt actually do,becuase there was an icon in the bottom corner giving a percentage of how far it had installed. I let the pc install sims silently as normal, then i ran the updater with the /s command. It looked like it worked. so i then added them all together in one script to run on startup
ajbritton Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Adding the /S to the command line at the top level will silence that installer. It will not however be passed on to the SIMSInfrastructureUpdate installer. As I said previously, the SIMSInfrastructureUpdate installer will only be launched under certain conditions (ie on older SIMS workstations). Running a test on a single PC which has only just had SIMS installed is not a valid test.
tomscaper Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Oh well, cheers for the help anyway not sure what i am going to do now, looks like it will have to be a trip round all the computers.
ajbritton Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 I've just been looking at the SIMS SupportNet site. In KB34820, it states that the following things need to happen on workstations: • Ensure .net framework 2 installed on all workstations • Install version .net framework 3 on Windows XP / workstations and Windows 2003 if used as a workstation • All workstations that used SIMS before March 2004, remove old workstation set up (SIMS Workstation 6.x) • Install fonts required for customising bar codes on reports. I'm assuming that it's point 3 which relates to the execution of the SIMSInfrastructureSetup from within SIMSInfrastructureUpate. If you are certain that none of your workstations ran SIMS prior to March 2004, you should be safe to go ahead as you planned and use the /S. That's if you trust SIMS (and me) of course
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