Offsite Backup

[bwestlake]

if you use Online Data Backup - Offsite, Onsite, & Cloud - CrashPlan Backup Software you get 3tb of compressed storage (about 5tb raw) we pay just under £300 a year for a server, you can use symbolic links and put it on a specific server, we opted for per server as you get 3tb compressed per server

[Gongalong]

RTFM: can I ask what you pay for CrashPlan? (presumably the business version?)

 

I've emailed them for a quote.

[bwestlake]

we pay just under £300 i cant remeber specificaly the price, but i think thats with education discount, they also did a deal for us with 4 servers for just over £600

[RTFM]

RTFM: can I ask what you pay for CrashPlan? (presumably the business version?)

 

I've emailed them for a quote.

 

We pay £15 a month for the 500gb business one (we only actually backup our servers and the primary school). Our full user data is about 4tb or something so it's a ball ache to backup offsite due to the size of it......

[british_government]

We pay £15 a month for the 500gb business one (we only actually backup our servers and the primary school). Our full user data is about 4tb or something so it's a ball ache to backup offsite due to the size of it......

A small thread hijack, what on site backup solution do you use for 4tb of user data?

[RTFM]

A small thread hijack, what on site backup solution do you use for 4tb of user data?

 

We snapmirror from one SAN to another which are in different physical locations in the school. Other than that we don't.

 

EDIT: @british_government just a thought, before we had the SAN replication we used backup exec 2010 and backed up to the HP MSA60, we then also put this to tape using an autoloader and these went into a third building in a fire proof safe.

 

We did full backups on weekends which usually ran over so then did diffs Tuesday - Thursday night. Wasn't ideal as it could run over quite easily and that throws the rest of the jobs out a bit, plus you have plenty of fail points along the way. The snapmirror / replication between SAN's is majorly impressive in comparison.

Edited October 15, 2012 by RTFM

[twin--turbo]

we are lucky.

 

"Site a" and "site b" are connected by 5 miles of 1Gb Fibre

 

Twice daily DPM does a dif backup "site a" to "site b's" near line storage (a HP MSA shelf) and vice versa.

 

On Friday Site A also takes a tape backup on "site B's Autoloader" and vice versa.

 

And the tapes are taken out weekly and put in the fire safe of the oposit site which is in a far part of the building.

 

 

The only problem is remembering which management server does which backup as although it is plain and simple we still get confused!

 

Rob

[Gongalong]

Our full user data is about 4tb or something so it's a ball ache to backup offsite due to the size of it......

Ours is about 2TB. I'm wondering with a 100Mb/s connection whether this would be doable with Crashplan (once the initial backup is done)...

[RTFM]

Ours is about 2TB. I'm wondering with a 100Mb/s connection whether this would be doable with Crashplan (once the initial backup is done)...

 

You'll want to throttle it back at certain times of the day though so it doesnt take up your full upload when you need it. Crashplan does allow you to set a max upload speed, or set specific times when it can / cant upload.

 

Would you be uploading the data as is or doing something with it first onsite? e.g. we upload the actual backup exec files themselves to crashplan, not the folders and shares (if that makes sense?). You might be able to compress that 2tb down somehow? I'm thinking even if you did a full upload once a week.....in an ideal world you could buy 4tb of space, upload 2tb a week and then set an overwrite on the data 2 weeks old.

 

Essentially this is a complete last ditch solution to if something catastrophic happened, if you lose 2 or 3 days worth of data / work (most would be a week) that isn't bad at all......

 

I suggested the 2 weeks of data simply incase your backup failed for any reason, you'd always have the week before......

 

Crashplan does support differential backups too though if you wanted to look at it that way, once the intial upload is done (i'd start it one half term and leave it going for the week with 100% upload) then a diff every night shouldnt be that bad with 100mb upload.....

Edited October 15, 2012 by RTFM

[bwestlake]

Ours is about 2TB. I'm wondering with a 100Mb/s connection whether this would be doable with Crashplan (once the initial backup is done)...

 

we have a 100mb/s line and initial back up took a couple of weeks to compleate, but if needs be with the uk site they can send you a harddrive to compleate the initial backup on for just over £100

[RTFM]

we have a 100mb/s line and initial back up took a couple of weeks to compleate, but if needs be with the uk site they can send you a harddrive to compleate the initial backup on for just over £100

 

i'd be more nervous with a hard drive floating about with my entire school data on that i would just uploading it online :\ don't ask me why, thats just what came into my head!

[SYNACK]

i'd be more nervous with a hard drive floating about with my entire school data on that i would just uploading it online :\ don't ask me why, thats just what came into my head!

 

You do know it just ends up on a hard drive or several at the other end though right. At least is not as bad as the government, it's not like your backing it up by leaving it on the train

[bwestlake]

You do know it just ends up on a hard drive or several at the other end though right. At least is not as bad as the government, it's not like your backing it up by leaving it on the train

 

If you do it from the crashplan software it encrypts it

[RTFM]

You do know it just ends up on a hard drive or several at the other end though right. At least is not as bad as the government, it's not like your backing it up by leaving it on the train

 

Well no, true. I was more just talking about the hard drive generally going through couriers / post more than anything. I understand that the data will ultimately end up on a hard drive though, kinda inevitable :\

[Gongalong]

You'll want to throttle it back at certain times of the day though so it doesnt take up your full upload when you need it. Crashplan does allow you to set a max upload speed, or set specific times when it can / cant upload.

Ah yes, I installed the trial at home. Although perhaps the business software is different?

Would you be uploading the data as is or doing something with it first onsite? e.g. we upload the actual backup exec files themselves to crashplan, not the folders and shares (if that makes sense?). You might be able to compress that 2tb down somehow? I'm thinking even if you did a full upload once a week.....in an ideal world you could buy 4tb of space, upload 2tb a week and then set an overwrite on the data 2 weeks old.

The bare minimum is 2TB of file shares and SIMS (although I have no idea how we backup SQL data correctly). So I suspect it's easiest just to back this up direct, and then presumably it monitors and does incremental updates at a defined frequency.

 

Whole VMs would be fab, but (a) I can't see how it could be done incrementally and (b) it's probably just too much data, even with 100Mb/s.

Essentially this is a complete last ditch solution to if something catastrophic happened, if you lose 2 or 3 days worth of data / work (most would be a week) that isn't bad at all......

Exactly. This is a destroyed site scenario.

[Edu-IT]

What is the Crashplan UK Site? :S

[RTFM]

What is the Crashplan UK Site? :S

 

It seems to have been emalgamated with the Crashplan site. Originally Crashplan was the US site and Crashplan UK was the UK site, they appear to be one now.

 

The site was crashplanuk.com I believe if memory serves.

[Edu-IT]

So you now have the option to only buy in $?

[RTFM]

So you now have the option to only buy in $?

 

CrashPlan PROe UK and Europe - Online Backup for Business and Enterprise Users with UK Cloud Storage from CeeJay Software runs on Apple Mac, Microsoft Windows, Linux, Apple iOS and Android.

 

Try this They've moved site and domain.

[Edu-IT]

Thanks for that.

 

No 'Home edition' UK pricing though? Guess that's still under the US site.

[RTFM]

Thanks for that.

 

No 'Home edition' UK pricing though? Guess that's still under the US site.

 

I use it to backup some stuff for my inlaws business, think I use the business 200 (though it was business 500 before the rebrand).

 

At school we use the business 1000 i suppose it will be now.

[klop]

I've been asked to look into remote backups so just gave ceejay.net a bell.

 

Cost is £15 per server with unlimited storage per server.

 

We're only small and running 3 servers that need backing up nightly. One has 3 virtual machines and it was suggested that would be fine.

From what I gather each server would have four users, install crashplan on each virtual machine would be a per user thing - so a server with 3 VMs would be fine.

 

Our LEA I think uses Redstor so going to have a look at them and Oakford at BETT but crashplan does seem a good price @ £540 pa for us.

[Gongalong]

We've just ordered CrashPlan/Ceejay as well, albeit prior to the unlimited pricing being available.

 

I'm just waiting for the order to go through so we can install.

 

We're only using it to backup essential files, rather than VMs, and really treating it as an absolute worst case scenario e.g. entire school burnt down.

[RTFM]

We've just ordered CrashPlan/Ceejay as well, albeit prior to the unlimited pricing being available.

 

I'm just waiting for the order to go through so we can install.

 

We're only using it to backup essential files, rather than VMs, and really treating it as an absolute worst case scenario e.g. entire school burnt down.

 

Same here, the CeeJay stuff is good. Also using at home on my inlaws business machine.

[shilpi]

I would suggest To have Off site tape Pluse to have a latop configured as AD/DC, with 1 TB or more Hdd space and syn the data every days ( always sync software to one way) carry laptop every days out. upload system state , Mail to cloud.