russdev Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Right I for testing purposes only installed android onto my HTC Touch Pro 2 first thing how do you set up a proxy server on a wireless network. Russ
tech_guy Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I might be mistaken but wasn't that a problem with Android - no proxy support except from some third party apps?
webman Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Officially, you can't. Issue 1273 - android - IP Proxy Settings for Wifi Network - Project Hosting on Google Code If you have root access though, it seems possible. Let's talk about Google Android: Set proxy for android web browser
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 You can't set up proxies AFAIK... I've got a G1 running 1.6 and I've never been able to use a proxy server.
tech_guy Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Same here, I've got a G1 with 1.6 and it's one of the frustrations - & I didn't like the look of some of the third party apps.
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 You can't set proxies on android at the moment. Version 2.2 is supposed to let you do this. However what you can do is set your filter etc at a gateway level which avoids the need for a proxy in the first and then plays nicely with android, ios, osX, linux etc
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 You can't set proxies on android at the moment. Version 2.2 is supposed to let you do this. However what you can do is set your filter etc at a gateway level which avoids the need for a proxy in the first and then plays nicely with android, ios, osX, linux etc That argument is not a very good one. Many don't have the capability or the power to implement transparent proxying. Why should businesses and schools have to change the way their entire network provides internet access because Android devs couldn't see the need for proxy support? Something that corporate IT has been using for decades...
LosOjos Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 No proxy in 2.1 either, it's Android's biggest downfall at the minute, and there's no mention of support being added for 2.2 either... You can't set proxies on android at the moment. Version 2.2 is supposed to let you do this. Dan, where did you hear that? I haven't seen any mention of it...
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 probably because Google want to give everyone the fastest and easiest way possible to hook up to an internet connection with out requiring much input from the user. Also Google like to try and push things their ways. And yes corporate IT have proxies for decades, but that doesn't mean that the right thing/ only way to do things now-a-days. This is exactly the argument we've had here, finally the Admin caved in and got transparent proxying working and now we a bunch more happy customers.
russdev Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 oh dear not a good start Iphone 1 - Andriod 0
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 probably because Google want to give everyone the fastest and easiest way possible to hook up to an internet connection with out requiring much input from the user. Also Google like to try and push things their ways. And yes corporate IT have proxies for decades, but that doesn't mean that the right thing/ only way to do things now-a-days. This is exactly the argument we've had here, finally the Admin caved in and got transparent proxying working and now we a bunch more happy customers. How else do you propose a business/school provide authenticated internet access to their users? With such a large number of requirements for logging and tracking what people are doing on corporate and education networks, unauthenticated networks would be a huge security risk!
webman Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm staggered by the number of people who don't/can't have a simple default gateway set up on the network. @Russdev If you take into consideration more than just the issue of proxy server, I reckon that score will soon begin to tip in Android's favour; considering how locked-down the iPhone is.
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm staggered by the number of people who don't/can't have a simple default gateway set up on the network. We have a default gateway. It just doesn't include HTTP traffic, as we need to be able to log users against traffic. Without any authentication data, how do you do that?
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 how about something like this: Multi-functional Firewall Software - Open Source Content Filter & Spam Filter | Untangle.com ? nobody said any thing about unauthenticated
russdev Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 I'm staggered by the number of people who don't/can't have a simple default gateway set up on the network. @Russdev If you take into consideration more than just the issue of proxy server, I reckon that score will soon begin to tip in Android's favour; considering how locked-down the iPhone is. I was trolling there in joke hence the troll Interface still seems very clumsy compared to Iphone but is better than windows mobile 6.. Russ
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 how about something like this: Multi-functional Firewall Software - Open Source Content Filter & Spam Filter | Untangle.com ? nobody said any thing about unauthenticated So, let me get this straight. According to you, you reckon google wants it to be easy for users to get on with minimal configuration. So, instead of having them enter their proxy settings on the wifi connection, instead, they have to enter their details on a captive portal instead. Seems remarkably like just moving the configuration around a bit to me...
LosOjos Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 @Russdev If you take into consideration more than just the issue of proxy server, I reckon that score will soon begin to tip in Android's favour; considering how locked-down the iPhone is. I second that, in fact proxy is the only point I'd give iPhone over Android
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 but surely there's big difference in automagically presenting the user with a web page asking for their username and password versus having the users going to tools>settings>advanced>network, typing the proxy and port number (based on the firefox path)
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 but surely there's big difference in automagically presenting the user with a web page asking for their username and password versus having the users going to tools>settings>advanced>network, typing the proxy and port number (based on the firefox path) Slight correction to that. 'automatically presenting the user with a web page asking for their username and password EVERY time they connect to the wireless network' rather than it just being stored in the settings... Me? I'd prefer to join a wireless network, and on the screen which asks for the wpa key or whatever there be an 'optional: proxy?' settings pane... 1
SimpleSi Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 oh dear not a good start Iphone 1 - Andriod 0 Its the only goal you'll score so enjoy the moment The Apple UI is still better because that's number one item for them and they do it well But Android/WM is like BMW/Lada comparision regards Simon PS Actually - another goal might be the snooze on whatever calendar app comes on the IPhone - the google cal one is rubbish! But your looking at minor diffs
LosOjos Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Its the only goal you'll score so enjoy the moment The Apple UI is still better because that's number one item for them and they do it well But Android/WM is like BMW/Lada comparision regards Simon PS Actually - another goal might be the snooze on whatever calendar app comes on the IPhone - the google cal one is rubbish! But your looking at minor diffs What you have to remember also is, iPhone is what it is and that's it, with Android, you can change pretty much whatever you want to to suit your needs
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 S EVERY time they connect to the wireless network' rather than it just being stored in the settings[/QOUTE] what about the 'remember my username and password' button? [QOUTE] Me? I'd prefer to join a wireless network, and on the screen which asks for the wpa key or whatever there be an 'optional: proxy?' settings pane... you're not thinking as an end user though - nearly all of whom don't know what a proxy is
localzuk Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) you're not thinking as an end user though - nearly all of whom don't know what a proxy is So they wouldn't tick the box?! Internet explorer has had a proxy option for decades, my phone 10 years ago had an option for proxies, there is simply no excuse. If people didn't know what it was, they wouldn't even notice it. Its simple HCI! An analogy for you. Many people buy fancy cars like the Audi A4 and the like. Many of those people will never fiddle with all the different drive settings such as sports modes etc... That's no excuse to not have them though. If we extended the idea of keeping things simple to everything in life, we'd end up with TVs with 1 channel, broadcasting the teletubbies 24 hours a day... Edited June 17, 2010 by localzuk
danbuntu Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Internet explorer has had a proxy option for decades! which is awesome if you use internet explorer
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