DrCheese Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) To sit there saying "We don't listen or read" is incredibly condescending and rude. We know it's not supported and we DO read supportnet. But not supported doesn't = Not working at all, nor does it mean we can't discuss workarounds for simple issues. I only use Sims for basic tasks on my workstation, so it's fine for me. Of course we're not going to deploy windows 7 with Sims installed network wide until it's supported officially Edited August 19, 2009 by DrCheese
matt40k Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 This is a public forum. Saying you got it working makes some people think it works, which makes them thing they can deploy it on a live system. Ok, some bits work, but there are a lot of bugs. You can't be 100% sure where the bugs are either. So if you mess up your schools system, I'm sure they won't be happy with Capita saying your unsupported and that it's chargable. Yes you may read SupportNet, but not everyone does. I really, really, can't see the point of trying SIMS on Windows 7. It isn't support, Capita have said they know there are bugs. People on here have said to use the XP virtual mode, which I really can't see the point of doing. If you really want to play with Windos 7, fine, make yourself a virtual image of XP and have SIMS in, or use another machine. Don't waste the tax payers money trying something that isn't going to work. [RANT OVER]
scebe427 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Lets say that Capita did test SIMs on a Beta Windows 7 and they found a bug, which was reported to Microsoft. Who then makes the fix - Capita or MS? What if they both make changes and then when the official release of Windos 7 comes out it doesn't work? If the bug was in SIMS, Capita would fix it. If the bug was in Windows 7, Microsoft would fix it. It is the fundamental changes in the operating system which would most likely affect how software would work on that OS, and they would be present in a beta and subsequently tweaked or removed in a later beta or release candidate. These are ideal times to test the software, as by the time it hits RTM there is very little time to test further before the OS is made available to the public. RTM is probably a good time to validate the changes made ready to provide a compatible version when the OS is released.
matt40k Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 If the bug was in SIMS, Capita would fix it. If the bug was in Windows 7, Microsoft would fix it. It is the fundamental changes in the operating system which would most likely affect how software would work on that OS, and they would be present in a beta and subsequently tweaked or removed in a later beta or release candidate. These are ideal times to test the software, as by the time it hits RTM there is very little time to test further before the OS is made available to the public. RTM is probably a good time to validate the changes made ready to provide a compatible version when the OS is released. You need to address this to Capita if you feel they should change how they develop. It still doesn't change my point. SIMS isn't Win7 ready.
Tallwood_6 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Yes you tell Capita they should be spending there time vailidating SIM's for an operating system that only just out the door so all those techys with Win 7 love can run it on there desktops and leave the bug fixes for the next release
GrumbleDook Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 When doing testing it is good practice for only one product to be beta at any time. If the application is an existing app then it always falls one level below that of the OS, even if it is a tried and tested app. If the OS is beta then the application is alpha, when the OS is RTM then the application is beta. RC is still a beta / test version ... just a very nearly finished version.
PiqueABoo Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 This doesnt really change the fact that the OS is not even at general release yet Nope it doesn't, but as a serious long-term dev I recall going to PDCs specifically to collect betas of 2K (devs were pretty much first in line for obvious reasons), using early versions of VMWare to test code against a collection of OSs & environments including OS betas. And when RTMs of anything came around you already knew everything worked fine on it's predecessors and following timely QA on the RTM, for there was rarely anything much that needed tweaking for userland client-server code. The difference here I suppose is a long period of relative stability with XP/2K3 where devs could get quite complacent, and of course the smaller risk of people moving to someone else's product that does work (and is supported) on the latest platform.
creese Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 SimsDev on Twitter says "Still progressing with early release of Windows 7.0; huge improvement on Vista - but some problems in SIMS that we must fix, doing now!" Which would strongly suggest Capita are well into working on W7
Sivadam Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 .... Which would strongly suggest Capita are well into working on W7 Exactly .........
matt40k Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 2:58 AM Aug 7th Full release of Window 7.0 now out. There are problems with SIMS on it (particularly with FMS). Working on it now!
jayemm Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I am not from capita so I cannot directly speak for them, however I can tell you that as a SIMS Direct site, we have been told that Windows 7 will be supported 6 months from release date.
Gatt Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 So far the only app that I have found to be a complete no-go is FMS.. everything else works fine - EO, SysMan,etc Still had to apply the old fix for NETUI that we needed for Vista..
matt40k Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 @Gatt Sounds like your setups directory is out of date. What version is your simsinst?
matt40k Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Tis out of date - SIMS Version Information - Capita Children's Services 1
Popular Post PhilNeal Posted September 1, 2009 Popular Post Posted September 1, 2009 Assuming that everything goes to plan we should be able to support Windows 7 from the October release. We've tested SIMS and there are very few issue. FMS relies on some function calls that MS have not ported to Windows 7. We are writing and testing subsitute functions. 7
DrCheese Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Assuming that everything goes to plan we should be able to support Windows 7 from the October release. We've tested SIMS and there are very few issue. Fantastic! I didn't expect it so soon, that's another piece of software to tick off my list
Soulfish Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 That's great news . If its supported from the October release I think I may have to look at moving the staff laptops over to Windows 7 at Christmas. Full HD encryption with AD integration for no extra cost (and the centralised management of being tied into AD) is too tempting not to roll out
Gatt Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Excellent - especially about FMS - the sooner we can get it off RemoteApps the better!! @matt40k - how do i get the latest version? and please don't say "from your LEA" as they are about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard
zag Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I can't see any mapped drives using Simsinst.exe (v1.574.2.0), is there an updated version that works with Windows 7?
enjay Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I think I saw something from Capita which said October/November release would be Win7-compatible.
creese Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I think I saw something from Capita which said October/November release would be Win7-compatible. Quote from Capita 'Currently with the Autumn release we are looking at Windows 7 with SIMS used as a client only. Therefore it would be on 32 bit Windows 7 only, not 64 bit Windows 7. However, just to state that our support level for Windows 7 is not confirmed yet as we are still working on compatibility and testing with this very new (pre-release) Operating System. A news item will be posted on Supportnet with an official support date and scope of support once its confirmed. Mark: For definite, the SIMS Autumn 2009 release will not be supported on Windows Server 2008 R2!'
mac_shinobi Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 have not read through all the pages on here so appologies in advance if ive re suggested this or its not applicable but windows 7 - does that not have an xp compatability mode ?
AyatollahPies Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Assuming that everything goes to plan we should be able to support Windows 7 from the October release. We've tested SIMS and there are very few issue. FMS relies on some function calls that MS have not ported to Windows 7. We are writing and testing subsitute functions. Are you still on course for supporting it from the October release Phil?
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