Change rule 3 of the jobs forum to *require* a salary range?

[pete]

The current rule is:

 

Please try to post actual wage levels with each vacancy rather than just a grade - "DOE" (Dependent On Experience), "Negotiable" and "Competitive" are suitable alternatives where actual salary range will be decided at/after interview

 

Assuming gainful employment, most of us have a price in mind for our services. Waiting until the post-interview stage to discover the advertiser can't meet salary expectations is a waste of everyone's time.

 

Something like:

 

Salary range of X-Y, potentially further negotiable for good candidate.

 

would work better from a candidate point-of-view and the advertiser would only attract candidates willing to work at that price point.

[elsiegee40]

Personal opinion. Not speaking as a moderator nor as a representative of EduGeek and neither have I discussed it with Dos_Box and ZeroHour who decide the rules.

 

We have been through this argument many times. There are no legal rules saying that salary ranges must be advertised with jobs.

 

The person posting the job here almost never has any say whatsoever on the salary range and if we enforced it the job simply wouldn’t be advertised.

 

DOE indicates a degree of flexibility. Yes there’s a range in mind, but for the right candidate they may be able to exceed that.

 

Ultimately EduGeek is a minor player in the job advert market and it cannot insist on employers specifying this.

 

If people aren’t applying then the employer will get the message that something is wrong with the job as advertised. The number of adverts that do this though suggest that people do apply for these roles.

 

A few years ago I got sufficiently irritated by EduGeeks moaning about the lack of jobs and the salaries that, to prove a point, I started combing the internet every night Monday-Friday and posting what I found. I did it for FIVE years… one hell of a commitment given that I had no interest in applying for a job myself and the moaning decreased massively. I stopped at the start of 2020 when I went travelling. I really don’t want to commit myself to doing this again, but I may have to.

 

EduGeek cannot substitute for candidates doing their own leg work and picking up the phone or emailing to have a discussion about salary prior to application. I know this is the 21st century and it’s great to have everything served up on a plate via the internet, but not everything in life is cut and dried.

Edited April 23, 2022 by elsiegee40

[jmak]

I think Elsie's posts were enlightening for a lot of people and it was a great service, but I don't think it's a reasonable volume for anyone to take on.

 

I've commented in the thread on devaluing IT Support, so you can read my thoughts there.

 

On topic here(!) I sympathise with the OP and find it very frustrating. Personally I ignore any adverts (here or elsewhere) that don't give a salary range. On balance, I don't think the rules need changing. Once I decided to ignore them, they don't bother me too much. It could be frustrating to think you've missed out on an opportunity that might be interesting, but I decided I wouldn't want to work for the kind of organisation that isn't transparent, so I'm not missing out anyway. If you think a job might be of interest call or email them.

 

I found email alerts from Indeed gave me several job adverts per week I was interested in applying for (relevant experience and distance from home) and significantly more if I was less fussy about who I wanted to work for.

[MatthewL]

If there is no salary on the job in the past they have gone straight in the bin, if they are not open at the first stage them what will they be to work for and I don't want to go through a process to find the salary is half of what I am earning already.

[elsiegee40]

This thread is not for general comment on how jobs are advertised. The Devaluing of IT jobs thread can be used for that http://www.edugeek.net/forums/employment-issues-advice/224524-devaluing-jobs.html

 

The topic of this thread is the suggestion to Dos_Box and ZeroHour that the rules for the job advertisement forum are amended.

[Syman_a]

I had this same discussion in another forum.

 

Personally, if a wage range is not in the AD then i ignore it.

 

there seems to have been an increase of late to leave the info out, particularly inn high schools.

[paulkerton]

Personally, if jobs aren't advertised with salaries I'm fine with that.

If they won't disclose it when you request it on applying though, then its not work pursuing.