Ryzen 5000 Series Launch 8th October

[sonofsanta]

Cowards! I had an all AMD build in 2009 with an Phenom II X4 965 (@ 140W!) and a 5770 GPU. Clearly it's my investment alone at that time that kept the lights on at AMD R&D and allowed them to get where they are today

[3s-gtech]

I'm an AMD fanboy too though! Not had an Intel CPU since a godawful Willamette Pentium 4, nor an Nvidia card since Geforce 3.. Still rocking a Phenom II x4 and a 6950! Same in my work PC.

[DaveTheTech]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3070-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/4083vs2577

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/3503vs4085

 

I might see a bit of a preformance increase

[caffrey]

I know it's probably to do with current events but why is all this new shiny stuff so hard to buy .....?

[Dos_Box]

I know it's probably to do with current events but why is all this new shiny stuff so hard to buy .....?

 

I think the demad for this generations CPU's/GPU's/consoles is bigger than ever (sit down Intel!) and a lot of the lack of availability is due to pre-orders being very high.

It should settle down by early new year. I'm just gutted I can't get an Xbox Series X on the All Access scheme. Both Game and Smythes had already shifted their initial allocation of consoles

Edited November 6, 2020 by Dos_Box

[bald_pig]

Cowards! I had an all AMD build in 2009 with an Phenom II X4 965 (@ 140W!) and a 5770 GPU. Clearly it's my investment alone at that time that kept the lights on at AMD R&D and allowed them to get where they are today

 

Similarly, my gaming rig through uni was a Phenom II X6 and a 6770 GPU

[flyinghaggis]

The biggest gripe I have is that the retail pricing is no longer particularly appealing on the 5600x. Until recently you could buy the 6-core 3600 for around £150 and now a similar 6-core 5000 series chip is nearer double that at basically £300. Granted it's the faster X variant but it feels like a colossal price hike for anyone who was looking at the 3600. I guess now they know they have the superior product over Intel in every way they don't feel the need to be overly competitive on pricing anymore!

 

Hopefully they unveil some more cost effective options (5600/5300) at the lower end in the near future for more sensible money.

Edited November 6, 2020 by flyinghaggis

[Dos_Box]

The biggest gripe I have is that the retail pricing is no longer particularly appealing on the 5600x. Until recently you could buy the 6-core 3600 for around £150 and now a similar 6-core 5000 series chip is nearer double that at basically £300. Granted it's the faster X variant but it feels like a colossal price hike for anyone who was looking at the 3600. I guess now they know they have the superior product over Intel in every way they don't feel the need to be overly competitive on pricing anymore!

 

Hopefully they unveil some more cost effective options (5600/5300) at the lower end in the near future for more sensible money.

 

From what I can gather from several online reviewers, the pricing is kind of trying to 'encourage' people towards the 5900X (it is a VERY nice CPU) however, I can see why they have raised prices slightly, especially given the % of performance increase over all the 5000 series.

[3s-gtech]

AMD also have to start using their strong products and market position to claw back some of the money they hemorrhaged between Athlon x2 and Ryzen eras. The consoles have helped to keep them afloat, but the margins were small, and they sold Global Foundries (so no in-house fabs, not a bad thing) as well as their factories, just to stay afloat.

[sonofsanta]

Yeah, I kinda can't blame them for taking their opportunity--Intel won't stay this sleepy for long, so AMD need something in the war chest to fund R&D through that war. It's a small miracle they survived to get to this point.

 

I'd prefer them to be competitive on pricing too, but Intel are as much to blame there for giving AMD free rein to price like this, I think!

[HTCPCP]

The main problem is (and its a real killer at the moment), that AMD produce the best CPUs, however, these aren't available with the big OEMs widely, so won't get the main business machine markets still.

 

Don't get me wrong, I will be buying an upgrade for my 2600x rig at home once the new BIOS is available, and am a massive fan of what Ryzen and Epyc has done for the market, but for work at the moment, where we buy hundreds of machines a year (on top of servers) until they get into OEMs properly like Dell, then Intel still have a great income source. Is it that Dell are still getting the substantial intel "rebate" that was so controversial?

[3s-gtech]

Lenovo offer AMD processors in many of their laptops - we’ve just had a batch in (E495). Unfortunately, due to supply issues the next lot we’re getting are E14s with a much weedier Core i3 9***.

 

I’ve always maintained a high(ish) number of AMD powered machines on site, but getting hold of them sometimes is impossible, or not worthwhile back in Bulldozer/Piledriver days. Still got some AMD powered servers.

[Dos_Box]

Yeah, I kinda can't blame them for taking their opportunity--Intel won't stay this sleepy for long, so AMD need something in the war chest to fund R&D through that war. It's a small miracle they survived to get to this point.

 

I'd prefer them to be competitive on pricing too, but Intel are as much to blame there for giving AMD free rein to price like this, I think!

 

Linus came out with a valid point on yesterdays WAN Show. He said that Tesla, AMD and Nvidia all have engineers in charge whilst Intel have a businessman/beancounter in charge, and that is guiding their development process. So rather than 'How good/fast can we make this?' they have 'How cheap can we make it for and how much can we gouge the customers at the point of sale?' (or words to that effect).