Door entry that incorporates clocking in

[Craisin]

Morning,

 

Just floating this one really, I need to find a solution for our School that can open a door when a mifare card is presented, but also clock that user in. When the user leaves via the same door, it will open and clock them out.

Most of the systems I've seen cannot operate in this manner.

 

We currently use Paxton Net 2 and they have explicitly told me that it isn't possible with their system. The reader will only operate in one mode.

To achieve what we need here, it would take two readers on each side of the door.

 

I am in contact with a couple of other companies, but just wondering if any of you have a solution that operates in our desired way?

 

 

All help appreciated.

 

Regards,

[LTurner3692]

we use net 2 and have 2 readers on all doors. It works really well.

[HTCPCP]

Not used it, but it seemed quite interesting at BETT (and not just because of the rather fun freebies) - but InVentry might well be something to look at?

[saggu]

I am looking at exactly same functionality for our school. Staff keeps forgetting to clock in on sign in system so we need to use the card to open the door and in this way staff will be signed in. I will be interested to know which way you are deciding to go.

[Syman_a]

I am pretty sure Inventry and Entrysign systems both have add-ons to enable this.

[dhicks]

Not used it, but it seemed quite interesting at BETT (and not just because of the rather fun freebies) - but InVentry might well be something to look at?

 

I was impressed by InVentry at BETT by their facilities for getting data in to / out of their system - it should be possible to write something to get data from their system to provide a list of what staff touched in at what point.

[MartinT]

We use the Paxton Net2 logs for clocking-in using our ID badges. We don't have a solution for clocking-out, but I understand we could replace the internal buttons with internal readers and emergency release if we needed.

[Craisin]

Thanks for the responses so far.

We did have InVentry in for a demo - this was to facilitate visitor management. But if they can offer the clocking in / out as well as door opening, I might get them down again.

 

Keep the suggestions coming, will update if I find something else.

 

Cheers!

[MartinT]

If you integrate door entry, clocking in and photocopiers into a single ID badge solution for Paxton and PaperCut, it's worth the one big bill to get it all done together.

[mavhc]

Of course net2 can support it, there data is right there in the database. Just put a card reader where you want people to clock out from, exit gate, by reception, on the exit door, and then find some software to process the data

[Craisin]

If you integrate door entry, clocking in and photocopiers into a single ID badge solution for Paxton and PaperCut, it's worth the one big bill to get it all done together.

We are using Papercut with the ID badges already.

We really just need something that can clock a user in and open the door with a single swipe.

If that's not possible, then the next best thing is to double up the readers on entry and exit.

[robyholmes]

We have readers on both sides of all external doors. The main reason we did it was not for staff coming and going but for students. We have an open site which would be very difficult to fence in so we use the readers to send alerts when students leaving during a lesson to our student support and safeguarding staff. We also have the override 'break glass' trigger a Net2 alert & alarm so students can't use that either.

[Craisin]

Paxton have the software already, but management would like a single swipe to clock them in & open the gate. Paxton have told me that isn't possible as a reader can only operate in one mode.

[LTurner3692]

paxton can do it. One reader clocks them in and opens the door as they enter, on the other side you have a second reader to clock them out and open the door.

[Craisin]

paxton can do it. One reader clocks them in and opens the door as they enter, on the other side you have a second reader to clock them out and open the door.

 

Any idea how that's configured?

Paxton have told me you need two readers. One for door open & one for clock in.

The mode for each reader has to be set from Net2 accordingly. There isn't a dual Operating mode.

[Rob_D]

We use ACT for door entry. While we don't use it for that, it automatically logs the entry and exit time for each user, and you should be able to set up a restricted user for the console that can only see the access logs.

[localzuk]

Do you have any programming knowledge? One way you could do this is by using the API and making your own bit of software that connects to the Net2 system and grabs the data you need?

[Craisin]

Do you have any programming knowledge? One way you could do this is by using the API and making your own bit of software that connects to the Net2 system and grabs the data you need?

 

Sadly, no.

[dhicks]

Do you have any programming knowledge?

 

I do, and getting data from Paxton / Net2 and creating some kind of report / display is on my to-do list. I haven't spent any time on this yet, though, so I'm not even sure what API documentation is available.

[mavhc]

Do you have a net2 install on a Windows computer? Where you can see the event log of who logs in when and where?

[Craisin]

Do you have a net2 install on a Windows computer? Where you can see the event log of who logs in when and where?

 

Yeah, I have it on my PC. Trouble is we don't have a reader for exit. The gate automatically opens when you approach it. So could only pull swipe in data currently.

[localzuk]

I do, and getting data from Paxton / Net2 and creating some kind of report / display is on my to-do list. I haven't spent any time on this yet, though, so I'm not even sure what API documentation is available.

The SDK comes with a Windows Help file which has full API documentation and an example on how to auth with the server.

[mavhc]

So you have 2 issues, can't tell when someone leaves, so you need a reader somewhere for that, and Paxton say you need a second reader for clocking in.

 

Given you need 1 additional reader anyway, seems easier to just get 2, the main cost is the installation anyway.

 

https://www.paxton-access.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AN1029.pdf

 

http://www.edugeek.net/forums/physical-security/192409-net-2-custom-reports.html

Edited February 18, 2020 by mavhc

[Craisin]

So you have 2 issues, can't tell when someone leaves, so you need a reader somewhere for that, and Paxton say you need a second reader for clocking in.

 

Given you need 1 additional reader anyway, seems easier to just get 2, the main cost is the installation anyway.

 

https://www.paxton-access.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AN1029.pdf

 

http://www.edugeek.net/forums/physical-security/192409-net-2-custom-reports.html

 

I'd need 3 additional readers, one additional for in, two for out; door open and clock out.

As I said earlier, management weren't keen on the double swipe, but it may well be our only option without replacing the whole system at a far greater cost...

 

Thanks for the links

[MartinT]

I don't get the twin reader business. When you swipe in, a log entry is generated. Why the second reader?