house19 Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Hello all, I am trying to purchase a new OVS-ES agreement, so that we can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro on our workstations and Server 2019 for our VMs. I have got some quotes back, and most seem similar in pricing. However one supplier has only quoted for the following item (2UJ-00011) MICROSOFT DSKTPEDU ALNG LICSAPK OLV E, whereas the others have the another item on the quote along the lines of Microsoft WinSvrDCCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 16Lic. The supplier who quoted the single item MICROSOFT DSKTPEDU ALNG LICSAPK OLV , has said (on email) we would be fully licensed to use Server 2019 but I am not confident they have this right. Anyone have any input in this? Thanks
Koldov Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) FWIW - I am no MS licensing expert (not sure if such a thing even exists, as it's so complicated), but below is what we are licensed for with our OVS-ES agreement (and italics, what I think it means)... I'm sure someone with more knowledge will chime in... WinSvrSTDCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 16Lic F 1Y Acdmc AP CoreLic = 2 (This licenses us for 2 servers) Server licensing can be complicated though... SQLSvrStd ALNG LicSAPk OLV F 1Y Acdmc AP = 1 (This licenses us to run a full SQL instance on 1 of the servers) SQLCAL ALNG LicSAPk OLV F 1Y Acdmc Ent UsrCAL = 30 (This licenses us to have 30 FTE staff access the SQL instance (for SIMS)) DsktpEdu ALNG LicSAPk OLV F 1Y Acdmc Ent (Education Bundle) = 30 (This licenses us to have 30 staff use computers with Windows 10 and MS Office on). The CALS for general access to the server are included in this I believe. Edited June 6, 2019 by Koldov 1
house19 Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 Good point about the SQL licensing, as we have a locally hosted SIMS. Not sure if that is a full blown version of SQL or the express version though so will need to check that out.
Koldov Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Do you have any way of finding out what you are currently licensed for? Edited June 6, 2019 by Koldov
localtech Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Hi Best to phone Civica customer support and get them to advise on what you need, then make you know where you stand always found them very helpful. 02077602896 Civica UK Ltd
ConceroEdu_Brad Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 I would advise you compare this to the new Microsoft Licensing Model (Microsoft 365), have a look: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/education/buy-license/microsoft365/default.aspx Let me know if you need any help
Boredguy Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 MICROSOFT DSKTPEDU ALNG LICSAPK OLV would only cover having the latest version of windows on the client, and the cal to access Server 2019, but would in itself not allow you to install 2019 as that should be a different code from my understanding. Some suppliers do all 3 components (Office, windows upgrade and cals) in 1 bundle, others in the 3 separate ones depending on which works out cheaper at the time. If your servers have a datacentre licence that has software assurance as part of your ovs-ees, then that would allow you to upgrade them to 2019.
house19 Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 Thanks for all your replies. I don't think we will be going down the Office 365 route as we're invested in Google for Education already so would prefer this path. Unless I am mistaken and can get licenses more cheaply? Our needs are fairly basic I think. FTE count of around 160 Require: Windows 10 Professional, Office 2019, Server 2019 and SCCM. I've been told our SIMS server can remain as is and is running on Microsoft SQL Server 2014, so no additional licensing upgrade required.
NicholasEsping Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 I would recommend going with windows 10 education instead of pro so you can make use of all group policy settings.
ConceroEdu_Brad Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Why not just do a full switch and use Neverware to convert your devices into chromebooks?
johnlevis Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 Hi @house19 (2UJ-00011) MICROSOFT DSKTPEDU ALNG LICSAPK OLV E - This covers you for Windows, Office and the Core Cal Suite based on your FTE Microsoft WinSvrDCCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 16Lic - This covers 1 server with up to 16 cores for unlimited virtual machines, if you're not highly virtualised you might be better going for stacked Server Standard licences. SQL would need additional licencing. Feel free to give me a shout John Levis | Software and Solutions Specialist Tel: 0114 321 8609 [email protected] very-pc.co.uk 2
house19 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 Here is my proposed new hardware kit for upgrade. 3 hosts Each host will have 2 Intel Xeon 5118 CPUs in them. Total VMs I am looking to have between the 3 new hosts is 10. Does this mean I would need 6 x Microsoft WinSvrDCCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 16Lic? Which might be overkill. Can I instead get 10 x WinSvrSTDCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 16Lic? As that will also cover 10 VMs?
house19 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 Or perhaps even cheaper, I can get 36 x WinSvrSTDCore ALNG LicSAPk OLV 2Lic? That will cover both the number of cores and VMs...
johnlevis Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 You'll actually need more than that - drop me an email or call and I'll explain
Guest Guest Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 What hypervisor are you going to use? I'm no licensing expert but surely by using either VMWare or HyperV Server ( the free version) and keeping the VMs under 16 cores you'd only need a single license per server. Also doesn't Standard edition include licenses for 2 VMs
house19 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 I would be using VMWare. I was basing the required licenses by physical cores, and as each server has 24 cores I would need 36 licenses in total (each server licence covers 2 cores)? Unless I have this mistaken. Even more so as johnlevis has mentioned I would require more.
markwilfan Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 I was once told that if you have more than 1 hypervisor you need to make sure that each is licensed to run all your VMs to ensure you are covered in case of failure. I just use Data centre on my 3 hyper Vs to cover this
garethEds Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 I'd love to see Microsoft just say to schools - "Here you go. Enjoy - here's all out stuff for free". Don't worry about licensing. Gareth
mavhc Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 Cost of MS server = random number + random number of hours trying to work out what you need * hourly wage
Norphy Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Cost of MS server = random number + random number of hours trying to work out what you need * hourly wage That’s hardly a formula exclusive to MS. And even if a server OS is FOSS, the “random number of hours trying to work out what you need * hourly wage” part of that equation still applies. Edited June 21, 2019 by Norphy
mavhc Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 But at least that scales, once you do it once don't have to pay every year for every user for every computer on every site
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