Music from youtube for music lessons.

[Rob_D]

Hi guys,

 

One of our music teachers has been asking about downloading youtube videos for students to use in class. They have to make their own cover songs.

 

Obviously our initial reaction is "that would be against youtube terms of service Section 5.1 paragraphs A, B, C and L." But that doesn't really solve the issue of them "needing" a bunch of age appropriate (re modern popular) music to be able to do this module of work.

 

I think copyright is okay(ish) as this would be covered under "personal study" or "examination" as fair dealing.

https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others

 

But the issue of acquisition remains. How have other schools gotten music tracks for these sorts of lessons?

 

Thanks!

[DrBeaker]

Hi guys,

 

One of our music teachers has been asking about downloading youtube videos for students to use in class. They have to make their own cover songs.

 

Obviously our initial reaction is "that would be against youtube terms of service Section 5.1 paragraphs A, B, C and L." But that doesn't really solve the issue of them "needing" a bunch of age appropriate (re modern popular) music to be able to do this module of work.

 

I think copyright is okay(ish) as this would be covered under "personal study" or "examination" as fair dealing.

https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others

 

But the issue of acquisition remains. How have other schools gotten music tracks for these sorts of lessons?

 

Thanks!

This is what really really grinds my gears with teachers.

 

If that was a class without pens, would it be an IT support problem?

If that was a class without paper, would it be an IT support problem?

If that was a classroom without lighting or heating, would it be an IT support problem?

 

"needing" a bunch of age appropriate (re modern popular) music to be able to do this module of work.

But with all respect, how is that an IT problem? That's a teachers job to provide them with the items they need to do the class.

 

In cookery lessons some schools provide the ingredients for students, some don't. The school doesn't go to the local Tesco and nick the ingredients off the shelf to provide them for the students.

[Rob_D]

It's our problem in so far as we're the ones who are saying they can't just download whatever they want off youtube.

And we're the ones who are (probably) going to be bringing this to the attention of SLT. So it would be good to come with a solution.

[Brimstone]

Have a read of this....

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/copyright-licences-information-for-schools

[DrBeaker]

It's our problem in so far as we're the ones who are saying they can't just download whatever they want off youtube.

And we're the ones who are (probably) going to be bringing this to the attention of SLT. So it would be good to come with a solution.

 

The solution IMHO is the teacher should take responsibility for making sure pieces of work they need (the MP3 files in this case) are obtained with legitimate licences to cover their use. If those MP3s end up on the school network and are found to be illegal - is the teacher going to get blamed or the IT department?

 

Or solution number 2 the school purchases them and/or a licence.

 

There's no real other solutions AFAIK. I've told teaching staff in all my roles they're breaking the law if they breach copyright and illegally obtain things like this. Not trying to be the "blocker" but this is the reality. If they can't afford it, they need to look elsewhere. Sounds harsh but remember how much these teachers are on compared to support staff.

 

i.e I want Photoshop but as a school we can't afford it, so I can't have it - tough.

[LeMarchand]

Quick class poll, buy the sheet music for the 3 or 4 most popular choices and photocopy them?

 

Or does mean "make their own cover songs" mean "use software to remix a song"?

[Koldov]

This is what really really grinds my gears with teachers.

 

Also, does it not really come down to the planning of said lesson?

 

As far as I'm aware within the framework of the 'National Curriculum' teachers plan their own lessons (or are planned as part of a Year Group or School planning team), which means that there is no actual requirement to do a particular thing in a particular lesson, only that it has been deemed this is one way of teaching that theme or item in the curriculum.

 

What you need to ask is who planned this lesson and how did they believe it was going to be accomplished?

 

We have fallen foul of that before, teachers planning lessons and then coming to us last minute with no idea how they are going to accomplish it (iPad apps we don't have or websites that use flash/java, or that are just blocked in our filtering)...

[Rob_D]

Quick class poll, buy the sheet music for the 3 or 4 most popular choices and photocopy them?

Or does mean "make their own cover songs" mean "use software to remix a song"?

 

They basically want the song as a backing-track/template for recording their own lyrics and instrumentation over. The idea being by the time they're done it's mostly (if not all) their own work, but the original gives them a baseline to work from (TBH, I don't really understand the methodology).

 

The idea of choosing only 3/4 of the most popular songs per class and only getting them (from amazon/itunes/etc) might work.

 

 

As I said before, the use case would (to me) seem to fall under fair dealing, so I'm not so worried about copyright as long as the method of getting the music is legit.

[Meldrew]

I'd recommend this:

 

https://web.ilikemusic.com/

 

Amazon/iTunes ToS is for personal use only. The above website is designed for use that you're talking about. It assumes that you have appropriate licences in place, PRS, etc

 

Meldrew

[saggu]

I'd recommend this:

 

https://web.ilikemusic.com/

 

Amazon/iTunes ToS is for personal use only. The above website is designed for use that you're talking about. It assumes that you have appropriate licences in place, PRS, etc

 

Meldrew

 

What is the terms and conditions of watching BBC iPlayer in school. Here teachers are creating their own account and watching videos/movies.

[DrBeaker]

They basically want the song as a backing-track/template for recording their own lyrics and instrumentation over. The idea being by the time they're done it's mostly (if not all) their own work, but the original gives them a baseline to work from (TBH, I don't really understand the methodology).

 

The idea of choosing only 3/4 of the most popular songs per class and only getting them (from amazon/itunes/etc) might work.

 

 

As I said before, the use case would (to me) seem to fall under fair dealing, so I'm not so worried about copyright as long as the method of getting the music is legit.

 

Is it worth getting fined over or the school being fined over something like 99p?