appfoto Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Hi Edugeekists! Does anyone know how a school might stand legally should they show a currently popular (musical) film at the school's Xmas ball? I choose my legalese carefully Cheers Andrew
elsiegee40 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Hi Edugeekists! Does anyone know how a school might stand legally should they show a currently popular (musical) film at the school's Xmas ball? I choose my legalese carefully Cheers AndrewIt would be classed as a public screening and you would need to apply, and pay, for the appropriate license 1
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Ah the joy of 1 days notice. Going to see if the trust already has an "unlimited usage" licence, if not they can sort a one-off today. Or if nobody gets back to me in time, no film. (It's going to have the sound off, and everybody will be sat round tables having a meal not looking at it... not quite sure why they want it)
DJ-1701 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 It wastes electricity and uses up money to power it, sounds like a wonderful idea! [/sarcasmMode] 1
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Looking into it, we must have a licence to show films already as we show them in lessons - and only state schools can show them in lessons without having to sort their own licence (as the DfE does it). Either that or we're doing that illegally. Will have to wait and see what the trust says
PotNoodleTech Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 It's a public performance that has no educational merit - welcome to a world of expensive licences! 1
elsiegee40 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 It's a public performance that has no educational merit - welcome to a world of expensive licences! This. There is a difference between use for education ourooses in lessons and screening a film at a social event. The latter is public use and is not covered by education licensing 2
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 This. There is a difference between use for education ourooses in lessons and screening a film at a social event. The latter is public use and is not covered by education licensing We're an independent so not covered by the DfE "state school education licensing" anyway - so we might already have a licence that covers public use as a way of covering our classroom use. Not happy - deputy head has landed the DVD on my desk with "play it, I'll take responsibility". No, you cannot force me to break the law as part of my employment!
elsiegee40 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 We're an independent so not covered by the DfE "state school education licensing" anyway - so we might already have a licence that covers public use as a way of covering our classroom use. Not happy - deputy head has landed the DVD on my desk with "play it, I'll take responsibility". No, you cannot force me to break the law as part of my employment!Public use is frequently on a film by film basis. I used to work in independent too 1
elsiegee40 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 We're an independent so not covered by the DfE "state school education licensing" anyway - so we might already have a licence that covers public use as a way of covering our classroom use. Not happy - deputy head has landed the DVD on my desk with "play it, I'll take responsibility". No, you cannot force me to break the law as part of my employment!This is what you need @Katy https://www.gov.uk/showing-films-in-public 1
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 This is what you need @Katy https://www.gov.uk/showing-films-in-public Looked at that - ended up at https://www.independentcinemaoffice.org.uk/advice-support/what-licences-do-i-need/film-copyright-licensing/ and came to the conclusion we either have an unlimited use licence for the trust, or we don't and need to get a one-off. Either way, until somebody proves otherwise I'm sitting with "not licensed, no showing". Luckily the deputy head I'm going to tell this is leaving in 3 weeks. 2
PotNoodleTech Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 We're an independent so not covered by the DfE "state school education licensing" anyway - so we might already have a licence that covers public use as a way of covering our classroom use. Not happy - deputy head has landed the DVD on my desk with "play it, I'll take responsibility". No, you cannot force me to break the law as part of my employment! If you get it in writing from the head so you are covered, then do it. It's your job to put your point across regarding the legalities but if the head teacher wishes to ignore this then it is not your job to disobey them IMHO! 1
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 If you get it in writing from the head so you are covered, then do it. It's your job to put your point across regarding the legalities but if the head teacher wishes to ignore this then it is not your job to disobey them IMHO! Disagree - it is definitely not my job to break the law. Take it to the extreme and it's the head asking me to kill somebody. 2
localzuk Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 If you get it in writing from the head so you are covered, then do it. It's your job to put your point across regarding the legalities but if the head teacher wishes to ignore this then it is not your job to disobey them IMHO! This is most certainly NOT the case. You are not covered if your head asks you to commit a criminal offence, which copyright infringement is. I don't care who asks me, I will not break the law as part of my job. I've said no to Heads and the CEO regarding copyright issues. You cannot be instructed to break the law as part of your job. 3
PotNoodleTech Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 You are both right of course, I just don't think it's worth getting sacked just before Christmas over an arbitrary licencing issue. It's far from life and death as you already pointed out. I admire you for sticking to your guns.
Katy Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Had confirmation back from the trust, we don't have a group licence so we'd need to get a one-off licence. Which takes 24 hours excluding weekends. If they'd told me they wanted to play a DVD last week I'd have happily sorted it out for them, but land it on me on Friday afternoon for a showing the following day? Never gonna happen. They'd also get a serious kicking from the trust legal if they tried to sack me over refusing to break the law, especially with a good record over the past 14 years I've been here. If they want it that much they can play it themselves.
localzuk Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 You are both right of course, I just don't think it's worth getting sacked just before Christmas over an arbitrary licencing issue. It's far from life and death as you already pointed out. I admire you for sticking to your guns. If they sack you for refusing to break the law, that is going to open a big ole can of "being sued" on them. It'd cause job losses of those involved in the sacking, that's for sure. 1
DJ-1701 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 'Failing to plan is planning to fail', and 'a lack of foresight on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on others' comes to mind. You have to follow the law, be it an 4r$3 or not.
hardtailstar Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 You are both right of course, I just don't think it's worth getting sacked just before Christmas over an arbitrary licencing issue. It's far from life and death as you already pointed out. I admire you for sticking to your guns. Saying no wont get you sacked. If it does its Gross misconduct and the courts will most likely rule in your favor.
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