OVS renewal quote

[Boredguy]

We've changed providers and reduced FTE in our 3 yer agreement.

But that wasn't meant to be allowed... damn Microsoft

[Jobos]

From what I understand it's the unit price that's fixed not the FTE but @Boredguy that is a good point, the price is fixed no matter who you buy from. Maybe they are reducing their markup to get the business.

[mavhc]

Let's put it this way - Microsoft have officially stated that the free upgrades have ended.

 

Turns out they haven't though

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq

 

Is the Windows 10 free upgrade offer still available?

The Windows 10 free upgrade through the Get Windows 10 (GWX) app ended on July 29, 2016.

 

See.

[DJ-1701]

Turns out they haven't though

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq

 

Is the Windows 10 free upgrade offer still available?

The Windows 10 free upgrade through the Get Windows 10 (GWX) app ended on July 29, 2016.

 

See.

 

Do I still qualify for the free upgrade offer if I've already downloaded Windows 10 to a USB drive, but haven't yet upgraded my device?All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29, 2016; this is one worldwide point in time.

 

[Boredguy]

From what I understand it's the unit price that's fixed not the FTE but @Boredguy that is a good point, the price is fixed no matter who you buy from. Maybe they are reducing their markup to get the business.

 

You could be correct @Jobos, but certainly the discussions I had with resellers back in 2011 when we moved all said the FTE was unable to go down during the agreement and could only go up, but MS could have changed that clause in more recent ones.

[mavhc]

Do I still qualify for the free upgrade offer if I've already downloaded Windows 10 to a USB drive, but haven't yet upgraded my device?All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29, 2016; this is one worldwide point in time.

 

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that's OK, I downloaded it to the network, not a usb drive.

 

Does bring up an interesting point though, how can you tell if a computer is licensed to run Windows 10? One activated on July 28th is identical to one activated on July 30th. There's 0 ways to tell the difference.

[Bedders]

that's OK, I downloaded it to the network, not a usb drive.

Disclaimer: I haven't read through all this thread.

 

But I'm curious what difference where you saved the media to once downloaded makes to whether you used it to upgrade a computer to W10 already? (or did I miss something?)

[mavhc]

Disclaimer: I haven't read through all this thread.

 

But I'm curious what difference where you saved the media to once downloaded makes to whether you used it to upgrade a computer to W10 already? (or did I miss something?)

 

Just having fun parsing the MS website. Seems to me that I'm morally obligated to give MS as little taxpayer's money as possible.

[johnlevis]

The FTE can go up or down annually. The fixed price is the per licence price Microsoft set at the beginning of a 3 year agreement. If you approach another reseller at year 2 or 3 renewal (us hopefully), we will ask for authorisation to access that pricing and quote at our prices based on that.

[Boredguy]

The FTE can go up or down annually. The fixed price is the per licence price Microsoft set at the beginning of a 3 year agreement. If you approach another reseller at year 2 or 3 renewal (us hopefully), we will ask for authorisation to access that pricing and quote at our prices based on that.

 

Cheers for the clarification. Look like either information provided to us back in 2011 was wrong, or MS came to their senses as the years went on

[mavhc]

Fires everyone, gets OVS, rehires everyone

[jmak]

The answer is given in the sentence:

All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29, 2016; this is one worldwide point in time.

 

In other answers above there is also a link to the terms which are clear that the licence issued using that method is not eligible for volume licensing or any kind of imaging/cloning.

[jmak]

You could be correct @Jobos, but certainly the discussions I had with resellers back in 2011 when we moved all said the FTE was unable to go down during the agreement and could only go up, but MS could have changed that clause in more recent ones.

I have reduced FTE at the interim renewal points. I've also had significant variations in price - although everyone had been pretty close for the last few years.

Slightly OT but we are 2 years through a 3 year OVS agreement and need to renew by the end of the year. Now another company have approached and offered us a better price for the final year which is 4% less then our current reseller. Being a primary it works out at saving £55 but is it worth the trouble for moving resellers? We are happy with who we currently have and they have been helpful in the past.

Even with budgets as tight as they currently are, I don't think it's worth changing for £55 if you're happy with the service.

[mavhc]

The answer is given in the sentence:

All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29, 2016; this is one worldwide point in time.

 

In other answers above there is also a link to the terms which are clear that the licence issued using that method is not eligible for volume licensing or any kind of imaging/cloning.

 

But that's a reply to "I've put it on a usb"

 

Also https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/in-teaching-others-we-teach-ourselves/2016/12/13/how-to-deploy-windows-10-with-a-oem-product-key-from-the-bios-with-microsoft-deployment-toolkit/ is specifically a microsoft blog about deploying with OEM licences.

 

Question remains, I buy a computer, it has a Win7 sticker on, but Win10 installs, therefore it was upgraded at some point, but can I tell if it's been "legally" upgraded?

[Jobos]

After speaking with a reseller I can confirm the following; with an MS agreement the price MS charge is fixed for the duration of the agreement however the reseller adds a markup which is up to the individual reseller hence a reseller with less overheads will offer a better price

[DJ-1701]

Question remains, I buy a computer, it has a Win7 sticker on, but Win10 installs, therefore it was upgraded at some point, but can I tell if it's been "legally" upgraded?

You couldn't tell on Windows XP if it was activated with an illegal key... well until SP2 deactivated copies of Windows with known illegal keys. Why would you need to find that out with Windows 10 as the admin you would have been the one to install it so should very well know.

 

If you buy a PC with Windows 7 sticker on and it doesn't have Windows 10 on it... guess what it's most likely licensed for. If it did have Windows 10, I would be dubious, unless you have some conformation from the company selling you the device. If Jack the lad sold it to you, use your common sense if you work in a business.

 

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat.

Edited November 7, 2018 by DJ-1701

[mavhc]

But all devices that activate with a device licence but don't have a Win10 sticker on have been upgraded, Microsoft has approved that device on their servers. There's no message from Microsoft giving the date it was upgraded, therefore every device that's activated is legal.

 

I should email Microsoft, would be funny to see them try to avoid saying anything.

[johnlevis]

@mavhc

As a reseller I'm a bit concerned when you say " however there's ads you have to spend a bit of time blocking/ignoring"

 

I can't get into a discussion on here without all the facts but just bear in mind we recently had to get a school up to date with licensing and it cost them over £11k just for the genuine base licence they should have bought with their devices.

 

Happy for you to get in touch off forum

 

John Levis | Software and Solutions Specialist | VeryPC

Tel: 0114 321 8609

very-pc.co.uk

[email protected]

[mavhc]

Buy computer with Windows Pro OEM, use computer with Windows Pro OEM, that's it really

[localzuk]

But all devices that activate with a device licence but don't have a Win10 sticker on have been upgraded, Microsoft has approved that device on their servers. There's no message from Microsoft giving the date it was upgraded, therefore every device that's activated is legal.

 

I should email Microsoft, would be funny to see them try to avoid saying anything.

Don't confuse a technical capability with a valid license. A license key can be acquired by a bunch of methods, but the contract of sale and the EULA specifies when they are legal or not.

 

So, as I said earlier, just because something works does not mean it is legal.

[mavhc]

So when I sell this PC with a Win7 sticker on, that I upgraded to Win10 with 4 seconds left on the global timer, how do I prove that? I didn't get a contract of sale to pass on

[localzuk]

So when I sell this PC with a Win7 sticker on, that I upgraded to Win10 with 4 seconds left on the global timer, how do I prove that? I didn't get a contract of sale to pass on

As a customer, you are required by contract to have acquired your licenses legally - be that via their no defunct free upgrade program, or by purchasing them. So, its your job to make sure you've done that when you get that license.

 

Microsoft can, from their side, check the validity of a license, by checking the date/time on their systems and then asking you if your use was for an assistive technology. If your license is outside the allowed dates and isn't for assistive technology, then you have violated the terms of the agreement.

 

Your argument of 4 seconds before the end of the scheme required you to look at the clock when you did it.

[localzuk]

I would suggest you look at clause 5 of the Windows 10 terms:

 

"5. Authorized Software and Activation. You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method." And "Successful activation does not confirm that the software is genuine or properly licensed."

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htm

So, it is an AND situation - you must be properly licensed AND use a genuine key. Simply having a genuine key is not being properly licensed.

[DalekSec]

*cough cough* See my signature *cough*

[mavhc]

So how can I contact Microsoft to get proof?