Boiler Stove

[rf600]

Afternoon,

 

I'm sure I saw a few years back people talking about putting in boiler stoves,

Am I going daft as I couldn't find anything.

 

Anyway has anyone done it?

 

Already have a stove, looking at replacing it with a boiler stove to run heating as the house doesn't have any.

All the guides say its easy but I'm yet to speak to anyone who's done it

Don't need it to run hot water (yet) just radiators thinking five.

 

James

[rf600]

Don't know why I put this in BTRD can someone move it to General,

can I move it to General?

[Joanne]

Any reason why you wouldn't just fit a combi-boiler? They are so much more efficient than anything out there. Can't imagine the price would be much different.

[pcstru]

I'm sure I saw a few years back people talking about putting in boiler stoves,

Am I going daft as I couldn't find anything.

Search for : range heating stove. Is that the kind of thing?

Anyway has anyone done it?

What fuel type?

 

The big ones tend to be somewhat inefficient, a bit of a pain to cook with (although if you like slow cooked stuff and make your own bread they might be quite useful - and perhaps in the end you just get used to the constraints), and leave you with a toasty kitchen. I've two small wood burning stoves with single hot plates on them, one of them does hot water. I've never cooked on either of them, it would look cute but probably just be a pain!

[m25man]

There's probably an EU rule against it and unless it's better than at least 99% efficient and uses a stainless steel heat exchanger made in one of the 28 member states sorry, 27, (preferably one of the 3 more important ones), you won't be allowed to have one.

[elsiegee40]

Don't know why I put this in BTRD can someone move it to General,

can I move it to General?

 

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[SpuffMonkey]

Any reason why you wouldn't just fit a combi-boiler? They are so much more efficient than anything out there. Can't imagine the price would be much different.

 

Yeah - unless you've a solid reason for wanting one - a combi is more efficient and much more practical

[Theblacksheep]

There's probably an EU rule against it and unless it's better than at least 99% efficient and uses a stainless steel heat exchanger made in one of the 28 member states sorry, 27, (preferably one of the 3 more important ones), you won't be allowed to have one.

 

I think this qualifies as *&%$ posting.

 

 

Afternoon,

 

I'm sure I saw a few years back people talking about putting in boiler stoves,

Am I going daft as I couldn't find anything.

 

Anyway has anyone done it?

 

Already have a stove, looking at replacing it with a boiler stove to run heating as the house doesn't have any.

All the guides say its easy but I'm yet to speak to anyone who's done it

Don't need it to run hot water (yet) just radiators thinking five.

 

James

 

Looked into this recently for a new house with no access to gas (4m houses in UK where a combi boiler isnt a solution).

 

If you can qualify for renewable heat incentive (cavity wall insulation and 150mm loft insulation or exempt) then you can get paid a few pence per kwh which will pay for your boiler over 10 years. They are very efficient and work out only very close to gas prices per kwh, you just need to splash out on a boiler and someone qualified in heatas to install it (fitted £8-£12k) and need somewhere to store a pallet of pellets.

 

You can get a wood burner or solid fuel, but why if you can get your boiler paid for?

 

Sweden and Denmark make the best modern boiler stoves, followed by Germany, then Italy. The UK isnt on the ball with this.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Theblacksheep

[Homer]

You'll need a HETAS registered tradesperson to install this, you'll need to bear in mind (I think I'm right here) a place for heat to be dumped when there's no demand for it (water hot/house hot)

 

If you want it that's your choice but I'd still recommend you go down a combi for a small property or a good boiler + unvented cylinder for a larger property (please don't go installing 40kw+ combis it's ridiculous)

[Chris_Jones]

We are looking at getting log burner with a backboiler in our new house, so we can have a nice fire going and heat the house from it. If you have the storage for logs you can get them unseasoned let them dry out (takes about 12 Months) and it can work out cheaper than mains gas!

 

For the plumbing aspect you can tap direct into the existing circuit as if the stove was another radiator, but as Homer said you do need a separate head sink radiator so if the house is already hot the water in the system doesn't boil over.

Some great info here - Boiler stoves: I fit them and I'll show you how. | The Stove Fitter's Manual

[3s-gtech]

Looked into this recently for a new house with no access to gas (4m houses in UK where a combi boiler isnt a solution).

 

Not technically true - you can get oil combi boilers and of course LPG ones.

 

Be very, very wary of these schemes to be 'paid' to heat your own house. This is a bubble waiting to burst in your face.

[rf600]

Sorry been busy

No access to Gas in the village,

house was built in 1750ish so no cavity walls to fill,

wasn't thinking about cooking on it as it'd be in the lounge,

just want something other than storage heaters (which are shit) to heat the house.

[3s-gtech]

IMO, go for an oil combi. Needs a location for the oil tank, which takes a fair bit of space (but so does wood). Don't fit LPG, it's horrendous. Multi-fuel or wood fired is basically only viable to heat your house if you quit your job and spend all day preparing fuel and feeding it in.

[Theblacksheep]

Not technically true - you can get oil combi boilers and of course LPG ones.

 

Be very, very wary of these schemes to be 'paid' to heat your own house. This is a bubble waiting to burst in your face.

 

It changes all the time, the gov move the goalposts every year.

 

 

The house of that age with limited heating renovation without huge expense as above, I'd look at oil combi for that property. Possibly add a solid fuel burner for the living room, if you have a chimney.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Theblacksheep

[Homer]

How many beds/baths - if you've got one bathroom and one kitchen do a combi. If you have one bathroom and a shower and a kitchen I would lean more towards a cylinder. Anything upwards of that, most certainly go for a cylinder.

 

Oil would be my suggestion, make sure you use somebody OFTEC registered however (not only from a safety p.o.v but from a selling your house p.o.v). You can get outdoor oil combis.

[rf600]

Cant do oil, as there's no where to put the tank outside,

house is a bit weird, garden is 50ft away through next doors garden

garage is a bit further than that but you have to go on the road to get to that.

already have a stove in and have a lot of access to wood which is why i was looking at a boiler stove

straight replacement and then just need the heating side.

[southhamster]

Our house sounds similar, 1850's stone with a modern 2005 extension. We have 2 wood burners but as above it's a lot of work to store, stack and move wood (and expensive if you buy pre-seasoned hardwood) and there is definitely more dust and smell, storage, flue sweeping costs, plus one room gets stupidly hot while the rest of the house is cold. We also have an old open flue oil combi boiler for hot water and central heating, but they are noisy and oil servicing and parts costs are higher than a gas boiler - Worcester Bosch and Grant are the most reliable. The regs. on oil boilers (double skin tank, flue siting) get tighter every year too.

Have you looked at air source heat pump (aka fridge on steroids) as well? The technology has really advanced and there are various options integrated tank/outside etc and virtually no maintenance costs, eg;

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/products/heat-pumps/directory/greenstore-lecp-heat-pumps

They are most efficient for low temperature, underfloor heating and large surface area radiators; in an old poorly insulated house it may struggle but a good installer will calculate the heat required accurately - our 18KW oil combi is undersized for our house for example.

[3s-gtech]

From my experience, have a look at Clearview stoves then. The level of control and efficiency is excellent - they're not cheap but you get what you pay for here. Still, expect to get through several tonnes of wood in one Winter.