HTCPCP Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Hmm refurbs are the way forward IMHO - let some other punk take the hit and the 75% loss within 2-3 years. Same reason I would NEVER buy a new car! When you can get i7 3770k / 8GB machines with SSD that will last 5+ years for £250 why pay more? These are in house refurbs - we buy a new machine and use it in a primary role for 3-4 years, refurb it/make the odd upgrade and then use it where a new machine isn't needed. Then at the end of it, the machine is worth nothing and then it gets scrapped and either sold for parts (if there is any value), used for spares (SSDs, RAM etc) and the rest recycled. For places like education, you can make real use of refurbs from people like Dave - Used to use him myself when in edu, but now, for us, buying new saves hassle.
VeryPC_Colin_M Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 This summer we've seen increased demand from education customers for AMD Ryzen builds instead of Intel. Feedback on performance has been tremendous too. Prices aren't much different to an equivalent intel build neither.
Arthur Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) The new CPUs will be available from 7th July. AMD Announces 3rd Generation Ryzen Desktop Processors Today at Computex, AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su is announcing the raft of processors it will be launching on its new Zen 2 chiplet-based microarchitecture. Among other things, AMD is unveiling its new Ryzen 9 product tier, which it is using for its 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X processor, and which runs at 4.6 GHz boost. All of the five processors will be PCIe 4.0 enabled, and while they are being accompanied by the new X570 chipset launch, they still use the same AM4 socket, meaning some AMD 300 and 400-series motherboards can still be used. We have all the details inside. A lot of people have been after details about AMD’s next generation Ryzen platform for several months, ever since AMD teased the Matisse Ryzen 3000 design at CES back in January. Most of that information is coming out today, with Ryzen 9, Ryzen 7, and Ryzen 5 processors in the mix. All of these processors will be officially launched on 7th July (which is 7/7), correlating with the fact that the core chiplets of these products are built on TSMC’s 7nm process. This is technically a Sunday, but AMD doesn’t mind too much. In reality, it means users might even get them in the mail on the following Monday. Before talking about features, let’s go straight into the CPU list, as that’s what most of you are here for. Edited May 27, 2019 by Arthur
bald_pig Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 Can anyone tell me why the 3700x has a lower tdp than the chip below it with 2 less cores, and the chip above it with marginally higher clock speeds?
DalekSec Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 I think I might have to try me out a Ryzen! Been waiting for this release, i've had a 1800x since it was released (pre-ordered) fo sho getting a 3900x now I NEED ALL THE CORES (i don't but i want them)
houlta Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 New x570 boards are listed now too. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-GODLIKE PCIe 4 with DDR4 5000MHz support and if whats true about navi which we'll find out in June..well lets just say I doubt many people will be bothering with intel for quite a while. USB 3.2 mentioned there too, no details on speeds (I'm guessing 20Gb/s?) or what devices will be compatible as yet. Oh and ax wifi
Arthur Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 New 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X announced at E3. It will cost $749. AMD 16-Core Ryzen 9 3950X: Up to 4.7 GHz, 105W, Coming September One of the questions that was left over from AMD’s Computex reveal of the new Ryzen 3000 family was why a 16-core version of the dual-chiplet Matisse design was not announced. Today, AMD is announcing its first 16 core CPU into the Ryzen 9 family. AMD stated that they’re not interested in the back and forth with its competition about slowly moving the leading edge in consumer computing – they want to launch the best they have to offer as soon as possible, and the 16-core is part of that strategy. The new Ryzen 9 3950X will top the stack of new Zen 2 based AMD consumer processors, and is built for the AM4 socket along with the range of X570 motherboards. It will have 16 cores with simultaneous multi-threading, enabling 32 threads, with a base frequency of 3.5 GHz and a turbo frequency of 4.7 GHz. All of this will be provided in a 105W TDP. AMD has said that the processor will be coming in September 2019, about two months after the initial Ryzen 3rd Gen processors, due to extra validation requirements. The chip uses two of the Zen 2 eight-core chiplets, paired with an IO die that provides 24 total PCIe 4.0 lanes. By using the AM4 socket, AMD recommends pairing the Ryzen 9 3950X with one of the new X570 motherboards launched at Computex. New 3000-Series APUs too. AMD Ryzen 3000 APUs: Up to Vega 11, More MHz, Under $150, Coming 7th July The integrated graphics ‘APU’ line of processors from AMD is a popular entry point for consumers on a budget based on the good performance from the cores, gaming-capable graphics, and all for a reasonable low cost that also comes bundled with a very sufficient cooler. AMD’s APU line is one lock-step behind its leading edge CPU technology, so this time around the new Ryzen 3000 APUs are built on last generation Zen+ 12nm technology, but with increased IPC, clock speeds, and an overall performance bump. The Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G replace the 2400G and 2200G counterparts in the product line and offer two new speed jumps. The Zen+ architecture used in the new CPUs will offer a raw +3% throughput increase (IPC) in compute performance, as we saw when the main processor line moved from Zen to Zen+. The other factor is frequency – both new CPUs gain +300 MHz on the turbo frequency compared to the previous generation, as well as a +150 MHz increase in graphics frequency, all at the same power budget. The new APUs also support DDR4-2933, which will help with performance. The other added bonus will be to the Ryzen 5 3400G, which will not only be released $10 lower than the 2400G, but it will now come with the 95W AMD Wraith Spire CPU cooler bundled in box, an upgrade over the 65W version previously used. This CPU will also be Indium-Tin soldered on for better thermal performance and potential in overclocking headroom. A new feature coming to the APUs is support for 4K protected video streaming, such as Netflix 4K. This is a feature that has been missed on the previous generation, especially as AMD’s APUs have found their way into a number of small form factor systems and HTPC builds. The new APUs also support Radeon Anti-Lag, a new feature to reduce controller-to-display lag input times. These CPUs are still PCIe 3.0, because they are one generation behind AMD's mainstream processors.
Arthur Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Alleged ASUS AMD X570 Motherboard Price-list Paints a Horror Story A reliable source based in Taiwan shared with us the price-list of upcoming AMD Ryzen 3000 X570 chipset motherboards by leading manufacturer ASUS. These MSRP prices in U.S. Dollars paint a grim picture of these boards being significantly pricier than previous-generation motherboards based on the AMD X470 chipset. We already got hints of AMD X570 motherboards being pricey when MSI CEO Charles Chiang, who is known for not mincing his words in public, made it clear that the industry is no longer seeing AMD as a value-alternative second-fiddle brand to Intel, and that AMD will use its performance leadership to command premium pricing for these motherboards, even though across generations, pricing of AMD processors are going to remain flat. The Ryzen 7 3700X, for example, is launching at exactly the same $329 launch price as the Ryzen 7 2700X. Even MSI CEO Chiang's statement couldn't prepare us for the prices we're seeing for the ASUS motherboard lineup. The cheapest AMD X570 motherboard from ASUS is the Prime X570-P, which is priced at USD $159.99. Its slightly bolstered twin, the TUF Gaming X570-Plus will go for $169.99. A variant of this exact board with integrated Wi-Fi 6 will be priced at $184.99. This is where things get crazy. The Prime X570-Pro, which is the spiritual-successor of the $150 Prime X470-Pro, will command a whopping $249.99 price-tag, or a $100 (66 percent) increase! The cheapest ROG (Republic of Gamers) product, the ROG Strix X570-F Gaming, will ship with an HEDT-like $299.99 price. This is where the supposed "high-end" segment begins. The ROG Strix X570-E Gaming is a slightly spruced-up Strix-F, with a handful more connectivity options, and an extra M.2 slot. This board will be priced at $329.99. And we're still with the "tier-two" ROG Strix family. The ROG Crosshair VIII Hero is what you'd want for the premium ROG experience, and a premium CPU VRM solution. This board is priced at $359.99, over $100 more than the Crosshair VII Hero. Need Wi-Fi? Pull out another Jackson for the $379.99 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi, which comes with 802.11ax WLAN. £160 isn't too bad. Edited June 11, 2019 by Arthur
DalekSec Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 It's going to take all my energy not to buy a 3950x.....
bald_pig Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 It's going to take all my energy not to buy a 3950x..... If the price is good, I'll be tempted, my pc is due an upgrade, every other gen
DalekSec Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 If the price is good, I'll be tempted, my pc is due an upgrade, every other gen My 1800x is still doing the job atm, i don't really need to upgrade. Plus after a brought a 2080ti this year i dont want to have another 750ish going out!
Arthur Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 AMD Ryzen 9 3950X with 61K points is the Fastest Processor on Geekbench, Destroys Intel’s 18-Core i9-9980XE According to AMD’s first-party benchmarks, the Ryzen 9 3950X is faster than Intel’s i9-9960X, but as per a new Geekbench score, the 7nm AMD flagship might be even more powerful in certain scenarios. It scores a mammoth 61,072 points in the multi-core test which is the highest for any consumer CPU, period. The closest Intel competitor is the 18-core i9-9980XE (with 46618 points) which gets left far behind with a margin of more than 14K points, all the while costing more than twice as much (Ryzen 3950X ~$749, i9-9980XE ~$2000+). The best part is that this is an early sample, slower than the final chips that will hit the market. We are looking at a base clock of 3.29GHz and a boost of 4.29, while the 3950X in its final state runs at 4.7GHz when under load. Despite that, however, the single core performance and the IPC of the 16-core AMD flagship is higher than the 9th Gen Intel lineup. Only the higher clocked i7s and i9s manage to match it in the single-core test. Furthermore, the chip is running on an X470 board and the cache size along with the Matisse codename confirm that this indeed is the Ryzen 9 3950X, and not a future Threadripper part.
HTCPCP Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I'm kind of disappointed, but not surprised that the APU range from AMD is based on the current gen Ryzen 2000 series processors. Then again, at the RRP for the Ryzen 5, i'm looking forward to some sensibly priced Ryzen business grade kit
bald_pig Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I'm kind of disappointed, but not surprised that the APU range from AMD is based on the current gen Ryzen 2000 series processors. Then again, at the RRP for the Ryzen 5, i'm looking forward to some sensibly priced Ryzen business grade kit I mean, you can get a Ryzen 5 machine for the price of an i3 unit now, I'd say it's already here, in fact, there are articles saying that the Ryzen usage in business has increased to cover the Intel shortages, so they are well on their way.
HTCPCP Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I mean, you can get a Ryzen 5 machine for the price of an i3 unit now, I'd say it's already here, in fact, there are articles saying that the Ryzen usage in business has increased to cover the Intel shortages, so they are well on their way. Dell Optiplex running Ryzen - Not available/not able to get a quote for them from Dell, nor from 3rd party suppliers HP Prodesk - Last time I got a quote, the Intel i5 comes in £20 cheaper per unit than the Ryzen 5 2400g, so not exactly Business laptops are where I have seen a fair bit of growth in the market though (just a shame that the new HP Probook is an all plastic case now )
houlta Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I doubt we'll be able to get quotes til around 7th July onwards. September for the new GPU's and 3950X.
Arthur Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) Dell Optiplex running Ryzen - Not available/not able to get a quote for them from Dell, nor from 3rd party suppliers Dell do have some Ryzen-based OptiPlex's on their website (that are in stock), but it's not possible to choose a faster CPU than the Ryzen 5 Pro 2400G. It's also disappointing that they don't come with SSDs as standard. Edited June 13, 2019 by Arthur
bald_pig Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Dell Optiplex running Ryzen - Not available/not able to get a quote for them from Dell, nor from 3rd party suppliers HP Prodesk - Last time I got a quote, the Intel i5 comes in £20 cheaper per unit than the Ryzen 5 2400g, so not exactly Business laptops are where I have seen a fair bit of growth in the market though (just a shame that the new HP Probook is an all plastic case now ) Lenovo it's the other way round, the Ryzen machines seem to be going up in price though
HTCPCP Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Dell do have some Ryzen-based OptiPlex's on their website (that are in stock), but it's not possible to choose a faster CPU than the Ryzen 5 Pro 2400G. It's also disappointing that they don't come with SSDs as standard. Interesting - from their website, they don't show in the machine selector when 'looking at all Optiplex desktops' - you can't even select AMD Ryzen from there. Account manager on his system could only find the Alienware or a couple of home grade pieces of kit with AMD processors.
houlta Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I'm not surprised, I can't see many people wanting one now with 3rd gen ryzen out in july.
crc-ict Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Alleged ASUS AMD X570 Motherboard Price-list Paints a Horror Story £160 isn't too bad. The £160 Asus board is a Prime model though, nothing special. The Asus Prime boards (albeit for Intel) we've got in our PCs here are VERY basic - they don't even have HDMI output.
HTCPCP Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 The £160 Asus board is a Prime model though, nothing special. The Asus Prime boards (albeit for Intel) we've got in our PCs here are VERY basic - they don't even have HDMI output. Is it that much more than the existing Asus X470 boards? A quick look, and you can see the Asus X470 TUF plus Gaming is £140, and the Asus X470-Prime Pro is £145 on amazon. The X range of boards is the premium end... Will be interesting to see what the next chipset AMD is going to bring out. Will they upgrade the A series entry (designed for Ryzen 1), or a new B series chipset
houlta Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Is it that much more than the existing Asus X470 boards? A quick look, and you can see the Asus X470 TUF plus Gaming is £140, and the Asus X470-Prime Pro is £145 on amazon. The X range of boards is the premium end... Will be interesting to see what the next chipset AMD is going to bring out. Will they upgrade the A series entry (designed for Ryzen 1), or a new B series chipset There was a 'leaked' sisoft screen grab of a Medion branded B550 with Ryzen5 3400G APU in it. As for release date who knows, I'd expect them to wait until the top end stuff is well out first, perhaps after the 3950X in September?
Arthur Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Interesting - from their website, they don't show in the machine selector when 'looking at all Optiplex desktops' - you can't even select AMD Ryzen from there. On further investigation it seems the Ryzen OptiPlex's only show up after you login to Dell's Premier website. Account manager on his system could only find the Alienware or a couple of home grade pieces of kit with AMD processors. You would have thought all Dell account managers would be able to see any PC listed on their website (inc. Premier)?
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