Steve21 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Morning All, Starting to look at Win10 and options for the future and seem every thread I find seems to be using a different version of Win10 just to confuse things! Is there any sort of quick comparison/differences anyone could explain between these: Win 10 Edu Win 10 Ent 2015 LTSB Win 10 Ent From my understanding LTSB is just a long term version without many (or any?) updates. Which I guess helps with management but will it mean no security patches etc? But one major positive is it removes a lot of things like App Store/Edge etc from the base image Enterprise is the "normal" style And Edu is Enterprise for schools but can't see any differences currently? Is it fairly easy to swap between images once GPOs etc have been made if we find one version doesn't give something? Steve
gtg93 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Not much of a difference between enterprise and education really - I believe it's mainly the upgrade option to 10 that differ, but I imagine you'll be doing a clean install so it'll make no odds? See https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/WindowsForBusiness/Compare for comparison. I'd probably go for Enterprise, but can't really justify why over Education From what I understand, LTSB will still get security patches etc, but new functionality will only be made available in service pack style updates, more like Win XP / 7 etc rather than as soon as the update is released (although I may be wrong). Swings and round-a-bouts to both ways though. 1
DJ-1701 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) At the Primary I have gone for Windows 10 Edu, as I assume in time this will become more Educational over time and we will eventually be looking at this one in the Secondary. According to others on here as well this is the one we are licensed for on EES. Apparently we are not licensed for Ent on EES from Windows 10, although confusingly, going off other threads here, apparently EES users are allowed to use Ent LTSB... though LTSB should be used in cases of near business critical machines which you don't want to update so reguarly. Edited March 18, 2016 by DJ-1701 1
FN-GM Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Education users are not entailed to use Enterprise but can use Enterprise LTSB. 1
gtg93 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Pretty certain we have the license available for Ent in our EES? Or is it a case of you have access if you're an EES customer but you shouldn't use it? 1
Steve21 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Posted March 18, 2016 Seems everywhere I read doesn't list any differences in Ent/Edu strangeness! Other point, not sure if I missed a thread on this but no KMS keys in VLSC or does 2012r2 include them by default now? Or is it just manual contact to MS? Thanks, Steve
DJ-1701 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 You have to contact them now, they don't give out the KMS keys by default (yes strange I know). 1
Steve21 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Posted March 18, 2016 Great silly MS! Lovely thank you guys, get the feeling this is turning into an Easter/Summer job haha Thanks, Steve
DJ-1701 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 The KMS key that most people request for Windows Srv 2012R2 DataCtr/Std KMS for Windows 10 You can call them up on 08009179016 to request this with your EES details on hand. Just a little note about asking for KMS and Windows 10 that I found... The darn confusing thing is that there are in fact two different KMS keys for activating Windows 10... Windows Srv 2012R2 DataCtr/Std KMS for Windows 10 (which apparently activates Windows Server as well), and Windows 10 KMS. The KMS host activation doesn't accept the Windows 10 KMS key, just the Windows Srv 2012R2 DataCtr/Std KMS for Windows 10 one... but if you use the Domain KMS activation it happily accepts the Windows 10 KMS key and machines are activated when on the domain. Found that out via experimentation when Microsoft flat out refused to give me the Windows Srv 2012R2 DataCtr/Std KMS for Windows 10... though they did to another school... both schools had the same level of EES .
Arthur Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 $editions = 'Win 10 Edu', 'Win 10 Ent 2015 LTSB', 'Win 10 Ent' $editions[(Get-Random -Maximum ([array]$editions).count)] 2
SHimmer45 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 so LTSB is taking a leaf out of linux books with Long Term Support models id be leaning towards LTSB myself 1
Sagima Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 We're going with the LTSB for our first win10 ICT suite over easter 1
Geoff Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) so LTSB is taking a leaf out of linux books with Long Term Support models id be leaning towards LTSB myself It's not just that, you get 'continuous' feature updates with Win10 Enterprise/Education unless you use LTSB in which case you get you only get security and bug fixes on a schedule you control. You also get some features stripped out such as: The Windows Store Cortana Almost all Metro Apps Microsoft Edge Therefore I don't know why you would use anything but LTSB in an Enterprise / Educational setting. Edited March 18, 2016 by Geoff 3
SHimmer45 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 @Geoff this was exactly my thinking, unless of course if there is an application which can only be installed using the windows store / metro only. but from a pure desktop deployment binning some of the bloat is a good idea. 1
Sagima Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 The lack of all of those extra features of windows 10 was the main driving force behind us using the ltsb version 1
ColinP Posted March 22, 2016 Posted March 22, 2016 We are also basing our windows 10 on LTSB the lack of GPO for edge and all the crapware that comes with other versions sealed the deal
SuperduperPackager Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Can't use LTSB here. It would be ok for labs, but employees and teachers would be screaming if they couldn't use the Store on their laptops. Also, we won't have to deal with people complaining about not having the latest Windows features down the road.
synaesthesia Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 I'd just find that hilarious, personally. It's a professionally supplied device for them to use specifically for their profession. The inability to download Candy Crush Saga is not our concern! All my efforts currently and any installs I do are on LTSB for the aforementioned reasons.
SuperduperPackager Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 I'd just find that hilarious, personally. It's a professionally supplied device for them to use specifically for their profession. The inability to download Candy Crush Saga is not our concern! All my efforts currently and any installs I do are on LTSB for the aforementioned reasons. There are other uses to the store than to play games. Let's say a teacher wants to use an application for educational purposes. You're gonna tell them they can't, because you were scared they'd use the store to play games? That argument is laughable in my opinion and just wouldn't stand where I work. My job is to promote and assist, to the best of my abilities, the transmission of knowledge to the students. If a teacher thinks he could do it better with the help of an application from the Store, who am I to obstruct? But hey, different places, different ways. 2
snagrat Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 We deploy apps through the store and so LTSB ain't fit for purpose for us
SHimmer45 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 if there was a need for an app from the store we could use a none LTSB for that area if required. i think as a start point LTSB is ideal, apart from one specific app (which is more designed for tablets) nothing we use requires the Store App, if this were to change we would have to look at a none ltsb solution.
Arthur Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 if this were to change we would have to look at a non LTSB solution. Edge extensions will be downloaded through the Store. http://www.neowin.net/news/more-info-on-extensions-support-in-microsoft-edge-available-now-in-windows-10-build-14291
synaesthesia Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 There are other uses to the store than to play games. Let's say a teacher wants to use an application for educational purposes. You're gonna tell them they can't, because you were scared they'd use the store to play games? That argument is laughable in my opinion and just wouldn't stand where I work. My job is to promote and assist, to the best of my abilities, the transmission of knowledge to the students. If a teacher thinks he could do it better with the help of an application from the Store, who am I to obstruct? But hey, different places, different ways. Well this is it, not sure how things work over there but certainly in the UK we don't like teachers installing things willy-nilly - the nightmares! Licensing, illegal copies, data protection, just a few of the things the average teacher over here won't have a clue about or care about. We also have duty of care to protect them
SuperduperPackager Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Well this is it, not sure how things work over there but certainly in the UK we don't like teachers installing things willy-nilly - the nightmares! Licensing, illegal copies, data protection, just a few of the things the average teacher over here won't have a clue about or care about. We also have duty of care to protect them Hey don't worry, it's not just in the UK that teachers will do silly things on their computer. More power to you if you can enforce an easier to maintain solution. Gives you more time to play Store games... oh wait, you can't. ;)
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