Prisoners voting?

[claireadams]

You'd think so @Sagima but not always. I know someone who was put away for something really small, for 10 days, they were sharing with a person who raped a baby. Intergration so you aren't seen putting them with people 'like themselves'

[JoeBloggs]

Being able to vote is a part of freedom.

 

When you're in prison due to a crime, you're not free for the duration of the sentence - not able to vote.

 

Once they have been released then yes, they should be able to vote again. Life sentence - never able to vote again.

[localzuk]

Being able to vote is a part of freedom.

 

When you're in prison due to a crime, you're not free for the duration of the sentence - not able to vote.

 

Once they have been released then yes, they should be able to vote again. Life sentence - never able to vote again.

 

That is just stating how it is, but doesn't say why.

[JoeBloggs]

That is just stating how it is, but doesn't say why.

 

I agree with it.

 

My reasoning is that if the person breaks the law, they forfeit the right to do what they want in this country. Voting is a free right for every citizen, but you must obey the country's laws to have a say in how they are set.

[featured_spectre]

@localzuk you said to ignore the tabloid journalism about prisoners lives...fine.

 

I've spoken to a few people that served time...one served time multiple times in HMP Belmarsh, Bedford and Leeds, whilst another served time in Aylesbury and Bedford. These are people I grew up with and went to school with, but had no desire to better themselves because we grew up in a rough neighbourhood. It was crime or education to get out...some chose crime. Some chose education.

 

You know their response to doing time? It was the easiest thing they've ever done. Show up to "classes", feign an interest, do the minimum to get through it to show "rehabilitation" is working and get rewards. He had a TV in his cell which admittedly he earned through his work in the prison. They do get rewards but they're earned.

 

One has reformed since his last stint in Leeds and he is now a security expert for ADT because of his experience of breaking and entering, and now tours the UK and has worked with other companies and various police forces for his expertise on how to enter a house.

 

The other is currently looking for work since qualifying as a chef whilst in prison. Reformation does work for some, but they've seen people go in and out repeatedly because it is a stable roof over their head and 3 square meals a day.

[nikaso]

Maybe give them the opportunity to take place in paid medical trials, the money could be saved on their behalf and used to help give them a start in life on release?

[Garacesh]

I have been saying this for years.

[Bezwick]

Maybe give them the opportunity to take place in paid medical trials, the money could be saved on their behalf and used to help give them a start in life on release?

 

Yeah and when the medical trial goes wrong and they end up with serious life affecting side effects, who's going to pay for that? Not the medical company because they will have made them sign a waiver. I know its happened to someone I know, admittedly they weren't a prisoner just on a low income and needed the cash but are now permanently on disability benefits. And no it wasn't a dodgy small trial company it was an international well known one, which unfortunately I cant say about as I'm not supposed to know due to the non disclosure agreement they made him sign. Its terrifying how common a practice this is.

[nikaso]

Yeah and when the medical trial goes wrong and they end up with serious life affecting side effects, who's going to pay for that? Not the medical company because they will have made them sign a waiver. I know its happened to someone I know, admittedly they weren't a prisoner just on a low income and needed the cash but are now permanently on disability benefits. And no it wasn't a dodgy small trial company it was an international well known one, which unfortunately I cant say about as I'm not supposed to know due to the non disclosure agreement they made him sign. Its terrifying how common a practice this is.

 

Well I would imagine any such scheme would include a greater degree of oversight than single individuals have when signing up for trials including some sort of insurance.