No more VCRs! - What do we do?

[TheMrB]

Remember back in the day when your teacher used to wheel in a chunky TV and you'd watch some sex education program that had been recorded off of BBC at 2 in the morning?

Yep. Me too.

 

I was wondering how you guys do that with the tech of today.

 

Once a week, I get asked if there is a way to record off of iPlayer because some history show was on and it'll be easier than, you know, teaching!

I do tell them that no, I'm not puling from the iPlayer, no way. But we can't be the only people coming across this can we? Outside of getting the Hauppauge off of my console set up and streaming from my skybox to my PC and recording in real time (which I'm not doing. Not because I don't want to help, but I simply don't get paid enough to waste time at home watching shows on photosynthesis) what else can I do?

 

In honesty, I'm just curious as to what others do to get around things like copyright issues and inferior tech.

 

Cheers in advance

[strawberry]

Windows media centre with a tv card. Most BBC stuff is repeated in the early hours so if they miss it you can record it. PLus you can series link recurring themes. Things like the local news, time team, bang goes the theory.

[TheMrB]

Windows media centre with a tv card. Most BBC stuff is repeated in the early hours so if they miss it you can record it. PLus you can series link recurring themes. Things like the local news, time team, bang goes the theory.

 

Cool. cheers.

Is that something you'd do at home or set up in the office to do out of hours?

[Joanne]

I thought it was all on BBC education site? Am I wrong?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/education

[synaesthesia]

There's a reason this is the busiest time of year.

 

"DVD won't play in class Y"

"There's no sound!"

"We're trying to watch Star Wars VII and the site has been blocked from the filter!"

[abillybob]

I use XBMC and DVBViewer allows me to record Series of TV Shows whenever they are on or allows me to schedule to record a single show. This then get's saved as an MP4 and is shoved on a shared area so all staff can play the video, works very well.

 

VHS may not be around but you can pick up cheap DVD Recorders if you want to do it that way! I miss those days when the head would wheel out the VHS player and 20" 4:3 Television, takes me back to when I was a young-un in primary school.

[maark]

clickview 24-7 cloud - will allow you to pull off freeview programmes off 24 channels from the last 2 weeks.

[TheMrB]

I thought it was all on BBC education site? Am I wrong?

 

BBC - Knowledge & Learning

 

Honestly, I had no idea that site existed!

Gonna take a stab and say if I didn't, half the teachers here don't either. I'll have a look at that. Much obliged.

 

There's a reason this is the busiest time of year.

 

"DVD won't play in class Y"

"There's no sound!"

"We're trying to watch Star Wars VII and the site has been blocked from the filter!"

 

Oh yes!

This time of year half my tickets are "I was trying to watch Godzilla on Youtube and I can't get past the copyright warning!"

ARGH!

[Norphy]

Something like an Omnivision from OneLAN may be better. It can record and stream television.

[TheMrB]

I use XBMC and DVBViewer allows me to record Series of TV Shows whenever they are on or allows me to schedule to record a single show. This then get's saved as an MP4 and is shoved on a shared area so all staff can play the video, works very well.

 

VHS may not be around but you can pick up cheap DVD Recorders if you want to do it that way! I miss those days when the head would wheel out the VHS player and 20" 4:3 Television, takes me back to when I was a young-un in primary school.

Yeah, me too! Feel old saying it though!

 

clickview 24-7 cloud - will allow you to pull off freeview programmes off 24 channels from the last 2 weeks.

We looked at a clickview system a while ago. trialed it for 6 months, one person used it, three times.

I'll look at the cloud thing though, thanks

[abillybob]

I got 99 problems, but copyright infringement aint one of them.

 

Oooooo.... debate time!

[TheMrB]

I copy nothing.

I rip nothing.

I media shift nothing.

 

I got 99 problems, but copyright infringement aint one of them.

I do very much try to live like that too!

Interesting how teachers find ways to get around stuff though. I regularly find myself deleting massing HD downloads of movies that still have the damn scene name and group tag on them.

 

I don't know how some people's heads work to be honest.

I have found the perfect conversation though.

 

"Can you download this off of >Insert video site< for me"

"Does it have a button that says Download"

"no"

"Then no"

 

Usually that's the end of the discussion.

 

I was genuinely curious how other schools got around the issues though

[TheMrB]

It's the copyright infringement that always concerns me.

 

Any numpty with half a brain can get a dodgy copy of a TV show.

Someone with a little knowledge can even remove watermarks and any defining features from the video itself.

 

If I do it at home, it's only me that gets into trouble.

But the school would be hip deep in it if we get audited and we can't prove where it comes form (or at least that it isn't pirated) and that's my job (and probably the NM's too)

[muppet]

@Joanne - I've just emailed the link to the BBC Education website to all teaching staff and have already had 3 replies saying thanks......so a big thanks from me.

[maark]

someone else probably has a link to the definitive licensing info but am sure that you can use material that has been broadcast free to air in schools for education purposes. On clickview exchange for example their are lots of films that have been shown on TV.

[TheMrB]

someone else probably has a link to the definitive licensing info but am sure that you can use material that has been broadcast free to air in schools for education purposes. On clickview exchange for example their are lots of films that have been shown on TV.

 

I believe the issue comes when you download it to archive.

My understanding is that if you have to "rip" it from somewhere, education or not, that's not allowed.

 

Honestly, It's just my understaning and it's likely that I am completely wrong.

 

And sod trying to sift through copyright law and figuring out what I can and can't do. If I had a law qualification good enough that I understood all that stuff, I wouldn't be an ANM

[6Foot2]

Remember back in the day when your teacher used to wheel in a chunky TV and you'd watch some sex education program that had been recorded off of BBC at 2 in the morning?

Yep. Me too.

 

I was wondering how you guys do that with the tech of today...

 

A relevant nostalgic trip down a technological memory lane:

 

Link: The Sounds of Obsolete Technologies 1990

[TheMrB]

A relevant nostalgic trip down a technological memory lane:

 

Link: The Sounds of Obsolete Technologies 1990

 

I wish I could thank this post more than once!

So many memories!

[strawberry]

Cool. cheers.

Is that something you'd do at home or set up in the office to do out of hours?

 

It's basically a DVR similar to Sky+ so get it done in school and treat it as a server .

[TheMrB]

It's basically a DVR similar to Sky+ so get it done in school and treat it as a server .

Awesome, I thought that would probably be the case.

Cheers

[sonofsanta]

+1 for a TV card and Windows Media Center - we built a PC for the purpose last year, and we get a fair amount of requests for recordings still, so it's been worth its money (and was cheaper than a ClickView sub, as far as I could tell).

 

Copyright: you are legally entitled to use otherwise legal recordings (i.e. original DVDs) in lesson in pursuance of the curriculum i.e. you can watch Romeo + Juliet in English if it's the current topic. To watch it in a Geography lesson cos it's the holidays tomorrow needs one of the PVSL or MPLC licence (depends on the studio, I cba to look it up, you get the idea).

 

TV Recordings: the Department for Education has a central ERA+ licence from the Educational Recording Agency. From our AUP (what I wrote):

The ERA scheme permits recordings of broadcasts to be made for non-commercial educational use. A 'broadcast' is defined as a transmission for simultaneous and lawful reception by members of the public i.e. it is not encrypted or encoded and is for general reception, unlike pay per view services. The ERA Licence therefore covers scheduled free to air broadcasts on:

 

 

• BBC television and radio
  
• ITV Network services (including ITV2 and ITV3)
  
• Channel Four, E4, More 4 and Film 4
  
• Five Television
  
• S4C
  

 

It also applies to any other licensed broadcast services. These cover both radio and television services.

 

Recordings may be made available to students over the internet so long as access is restricted by login such that the material is not publicly available but accessible only by students, for example posted on the VLE or made available through remote file access.

 

Please note that “on-demand” services are not considered to be broadcasts under the Act and are therefore not covered by this license. Open University programs are also covered by a separate license that does not currently cover the School.

 

So you can't rip from the iPlayer, but any and every school and academy is legally entitled to record off-the-air.

 

EDIT: official announcement: http://www.era.org.uk/licence-updates/era-welcomes-dfe-agreement-streamline-licensing-1-april-2014

The Agreement which now been concluded with the Department for Education provides for ERA Licence fees for funded schools in England to be paid centrally by the Department for each of the three licensing years from 1 April 2014, 1 April 2015 and 1 April 2016.

"Funded schools", presumably, excludes independents and private schools.

Edited July 3, 2014 by sonofsanta

[edutech4schools]

I have a primary school that still use vhs videos. I have even downloaded some of the videos but for some crazy reason they insist on using vhs. I was also shocked at how poor the quality is especially as the quality degrades over time and these things have been played to hell and back.

[themightymrp]

A cruddy old server with a TV tuner card with a sky box plugged in plus a VHS recorder We record the educational shows etc from the beeb and can also transfer the old catalogue of VHS tapes onto DVD etc.

 

It works, but it isn't the best system in the world. I actually think we are still using old science recordings of a show that used a pinball table style animation between each section of program (anyone remember this??)

[themightymrp]

Oh, and if you want to see some cracking BBC oldies:

 

BBC - Archive - Browse Programmes

 

Check out the Tomorrows World segment on Mobile Phones

[TheMrB]

+1 for a TV card and Windows Media Center - we built a PC for the purpose last year, and we get a fair amount of requests for recordings still, so it's been worth its money (and was cheaper than a ClickView sub, as far as I could tell).

 

Copyright: you are legally entitled to use otherwise legal recordings (i.e. original DVDs) in lesson in pursuance of the curriculum i.e. you can watch Romeo + Juliet in English if it's the current topic. To watch it in a Geography lesson cos it's the holidays tomorrow needs one of the PVSL or MPLC licence (depends on the studio, I cba to look it up, you get the idea).

 

TV Recordings: the Department for Education has a central ERA+ licence from the Educational Recording Agency. From our AUP (what I wrote):

 

 

So you can't rip from the iPlayer, but any and every school and academy is legally entitled to record off-the-air.

 

EDIT: official announcement: DfE Agreement to streamline licensing from 1 April 2014 | Educational Recording Agency | Licensing the use of educational broadcast material

 

"Funded schools", presumably, excludes independents and private schools.

 

So, if you know,

Where would I stand bypassing any HDCP coming from my sky box if i was to record tv shows that I had DVR'd?