LosOjos Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I don't think anybody who owns a cat could believe that cats don't have a sense of loyalty. I'm a blossoming crazy cat lady in the making, though... Three cats with all very different personalities. One of them fell out of a second storey window once and ran off out of shock, and his mum ran out the back door and brought him back within ten minutes. I had a nasty infection once and passed out climbing stairs because of it and fell down the whole set. When I woke up I was bleeding from the impact slightly and my cats woke my mum up crying and jumped on her bed! Oh god I sound crazy. I'm not crazy. At first I thought you were 'mom'... Are you actually Catwoman?
Bompalompalomp Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 At first I thought you were 'mom'... Are you actually Catwoman? I'M NOT CRAZY
DMcGuigan Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I'M NOT CRAZY Somebody forget their medication? We've got the difference in personalities with the dogs in our house, one lazy Yorkie that just sleeps, one crazy Australian Silky that can't stand still for more than 40 seconds. A Bull Terrier went for the youngest a few weeks ago and the Yorkie jumped at it snarling and barking like mad, never seen her move so fast before, luckily I had them on a pretty short lead so pulled them behind me before anything could happen. Woman walking it did nothing of course, just walked off.. a few choice words were grumbled on our end.
AMLinington Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) I don't think anybody who owns a cat could believe that cats don't have a sense of loyalty. I'm a blossoming crazy cat lady in the making, though... Three cats with all very different personalities. One of them fell out of a second storey window once and ran off out of shock, and his mum ran out the back door and brought him back within ten minutes. I had a nasty infection once and passed out climbing stairs because of it and fell down the whole set. When I woke up I was bleeding from the impact slightly and my cats woke my mum up crying and jumped on her bed! Oh god I sound crazy. I'm not crazy. No, that doesn't sound like a crazy cat lady at all. That sounds like pretty standard cat ownership. Cat owners get to witness all the complexities of feline behaviour. People who think animals don't have feelings are wrong. They might not understand and analyse them the way we do but that doesn't mean they don't have them. I don't speak the same language as my cat but he makes it pretty obvious when he wants 'me time' and when he wants company. Edited May 15, 2014 by AMLinington 1
localzuk Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Dogs on the other hand hunt in packs and are completely the opposite in the way cats think, a dog WILL fight for it's owner to death in most cases as it see's you as the Alpha Male and wants to protect you, that's just part of their instinct. The concept of dogs having an "alpha male" has been thoroughly debunked multiple times, as the original research had been completed on wild wolves that had been captured from different areas and then forced to live as a group, with the research then just transferred with no evidence to dogs. Instead, actual research with dogs has shown that they actually work more like a team or a family, with dogs leading by example and not through strength.
pcstru Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 No, that doesn't sound like a crazy cat lady at all. That sounds like pretty standard cat ownership. Cat owners get to witness all the complexities of feline behaviour. People who think animals don't have feelings are wrong. They might not understand and analyse them the way we do but that doesn't mean they don't have them. I don't speak the same language as my cat but he makes it pretty obvious when he wants 'me time' and when he wants company. Most pet owners would say that about their pets - from horses, dogs, cats, hamster, goldfish, spider, bacterium, Tamagotchi, pet rock. How can you be sure what you see isn't a reflection of YOU, rather than a true property of the thing you are looking at? We are very good at picking out patterns - so we see faces in clouds or on the surface of Mars. Surely we might just be doing the same thing when we ascribe intelligence/feelings/loyalty/emotions to our pets - seeing things that aren't really there. "People who think animals don't have feelings are wrong" is alluring but surely it's not that clear cut.
SYNACK Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Most pet owners would say that about their pets - from horses, dogs, cats, hamster, goldfish, spider, bacterium, Tamagotchi, pet rock. How can you be sure what you see isn't a reflection of YOU, rather than a true property of the thing you are looking at? We are very good at picking out patterns - so we see faces in clouds or on the surface of Mars. Surely we might just be doing the same thing when we ascribe intelligence/feelings/loyalty/emotions to our pets - seeing things that aren't really there. "People who think animals don't have feelings are wrong" is alluring but surely it's not that clear cut. Anthromorphisation is a thing which is why there is a word for it but it is not that clear cut. Pets will do stuff 'for' you when you you are really ill, mine will go hunting to bring me food - in the form of dead wildlife - which they never do when I am well. They will also stand guard at the end of the bed, again uncommon for my cats. They may not have an exactly human sense of loyalty but they do have something like it, even with observer error there is more going on than a simple food demanding relationship... Guessing most of the researchers who came to that conclusion were dog owners or anti-pet.
newpersn Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 see, My cat knows around 9-10pm its dinner time (wet food) Dry food is down all the time. But she goes out at night and she comes in when i go to work. She took to my little boy. (hes 2) and he loves her. Pulls and pushes her around and still comes back to get more. When the kids go bed she lays around the sofa and comes over when you call her.
ButterflyMoon Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 My only question about all this is why did the adult run away from the child especially when the bairn had been hurt!!! Why not take the child with them???
creese Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 My only question about all this is why did the adult run away from the child especially when the bairn had been hurt!!! Why not take the child with them??? Chasing the dog off, or making sure it didn't come back?
LosOjos Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 My only question about all this is why did the adult run away from the child especially when the bairn had been hurt!!! Why not take the child with them??? Chasing the dog off, or making sure it didn't come back? She was chasing the dog away (I thought the same thing so had to go and find out!):
abillybob Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Why wasn't the parent out there with her child? He seems very young should she not have been keeping an eye on him?
creese Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Why wasn't the parent out there with her child? He seems very young should she not have been keeping an eye on him? How many seconds away was she. Obviously not sitting watching Oprah was she.
witch Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Why wasn't the parent out there with her child? He seems very young should she not have been keeping an eye on him? He isn't that young and she obviously was very nearby
abillybob Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Oh yeah had to watch it again to remind myself* my bad! *Im very sleepy!
localzuk Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 see, My cat knows around 9-10pm its dinner time (wet food) Dry food is down all the time. But she goes out at night and she comes in when i go to work. She took to my little boy. (hes 2) and he loves her. Pulls and pushes her around and still comes back to get more. When the kids go bed she lays around the sofa and comes over when you call her. My family had a cat when I was a young'un. Hated me for the first couple of years of my being ambulatory, but she persisted with her training, so by the time I turned 7 or so, she had someone to carry her around over their shoulder, or cradle her like a baby. She adopted me as her human you see. Didn't do that with anyone else in the family... I still miss her, even though she's been gone for a good 15 years now.
Greenbeast Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 The concept of dogs having an "alpha male" has been thoroughly debunked multiple times, as the original research had been completed on wild wolves that had been captured from different areas and then forced to live as a group, with the research then just transferred with no evidence to dogs. Instead, actual research with dogs has shown that they actually work more like a team or a family, with dogs leading by example and not through strength. The 'alpha male' in our house is the smallest, female dog. She's also the oldest and longest serving, which probably helps. She's seen all the others come in to the pack and knows her place (she gets special treatment), if any of the other animals (including the ~50kg Leonbergers) bundles into her she will have at them with a serious fierceness and they all back down. It is remarkable to see the interaction of 6 very different dogs on a daily basis, ranging from 25-50kg, both sexes (some 'entire'), of 4 different breeds.
Bompalompalomp Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 It is remarkable to see the interaction of 6 very different dogs on a daily basis, ranging from 25-50kg, both sexes (some 'entire'), of 4 different breeds. My mother's Yorkie is mentally disturbed after five years of abuse before she was rescued. We've had her for maybe 2 years now and she is either asleep when she's barking/making sounds or doing either incredibly well or badly that day. She hates to look at people, but is upset when she is left alone. The only times she perks up when my mum isn't with her is when she is with the one other dog she knows (my Nan's). She runs away from other dogs, but she starts following her around, sniffing and growling an acting like a "normal" dog. There's also one of my cats that she gets along with, whereas the other two don't like dogs. We catch the cat sleeping on top of her sometimes. Animal interactions are absolutely incredible between species when they get along. I had a housemate at one point with the biggest Rottweiler I've ever seen and he would try to play with, luck and cuddle my pet rabbit. 1
SiliconAlley_Sam Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I had a housemate at one point with the biggest Rottweiler I've ever seen and he would try to play with, luck and cuddle my pet rabbit. Please tell me there's picture evidence of this! Awhhhh!
Bompalompalomp Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Please tell me there's picture evidence of this! Awhhhh! I used to have a photo of the Rottweiler on the sofa with the rabbit curled up under his neck, but I lost it a long time ago after I moved out.
Greenbeast Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I had a housemate at one point with the biggest Rottweiler I've ever seen and he would try to play with, luck and cuddle my pet rabbit. hehe, remarkably our 6 dogs and 5 cats get on really well. In particular the two persians will cuddle and lay with the biggest dogs and other cats http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/GreenBeast999/General/20140420_115946_zpss1tvlacx.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/GreenBeast999/General/20140414_212340_zpsvtumanic.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/GreenBeast999/General/20140228_201942_zpsckfqc9ge.jpg 1
strawberry Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Tara obviously adores the little lad by the way she doesn't rip him a new one for manhandling her!. It's amazing how tolerant animals are with little people and people who they feel need protecting.
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