Theblacksheep Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Your statement is one of "you've got nothing to fear if you've got nothing to hide". I shouldn't have to fear the government. They should fear us, the population - as we're the ones who put them there. People who say that sound like they are in fear of the government in the first place. I take it they have no curtains, because they have nothing to hide. I take it they don't have a professional twitter account and personal twitter account, because they have nothing to hide. Have some self respect. I'm not sure what more depressing to me, people that are willing to embrace in the state people in post war east Germany lived in or they think it is necessary to stop events. Many people here deal with the cat and mouse with students (and teachers), the game simply moves on.
CESIL Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I am sceptical about the wholesale monitoring of internet traffic simply as others have said because the sheer volume of data involved. If our government(s) are unable to build a national system for storing our medical data (data that they already know exists!) then what are the chances they could build something capable of monitoring and analyzing ALL the internet traffic we generate! I also have to say that the cynic in me can't help suspecting that all the hints about events that have been prevented and the bad guys plotting out there all helps to contribute to what Michael Moore called the "United States of BOO!". A good dose of fear amongst the general populace makes it much easier to justify giving mega amounts of funding to the security forces. Either way, I am still more likely to be hurt driving, cycling or walking...
CESIL Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 They should fear us, the population - as we're the ones who put them there. Why should they fear us...we only get the chance to get rid of them occasionally and I didn't put the current lot or the last lot where they are (or were). Our voting system means that my vote is effectively ignored as I live in an area that is solidly biased towards one party and has been ever since I started voting!
Trapper Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I'm amazed by the reaction of all the Sheeple. This has been going on for decades in one form or another. I find the good old US of A is becoming far more like the Soviet Union each year all of it disguised like a massive shot of freedom and liberty.
Arthur Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations « The Guardian The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA's history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows
CAM Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 How many here have logs and records of what the kids and teachers are doing on the network at any point of time? Just saying...
Soulfish Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 How many here have logs and records of what the kids and teachers are doing on the network at any point of time? Just saying... That's slightly different however. To use the network and resources in the school the students and staff (and any guests) have agreed to an acceptable use policy where they're made aware of the fact that all use is monitored and logged. If staff and students don't agree they don't have to utilise our systems. PRISM was kept secret (although I do agree that it's pretty obvious after things like Echelon that the security services would have a follow on program) and there is no way to opt-out.
SovietRussia Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 This document is interesting and highlights that PRISM isn't secret, it is "publicly" known about since 2008. http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Facts%20on%20the%20Collection%20of%20Intelligence%20Pursuant%20to%20Section%20702.pdf
CAM Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 That's slightly different however. To use the network and resources in the school the students and staff (and any guests) have agreed to an acceptable use policy where they're made aware of the fact that all use is monitored and logged. If staff and students don't agree they don't have to utilise our systems. PRISM was kept secret (although I do agree that it's pretty obvious after things like Echelon that the security services would have a follow on program) and there is no way to opt-out. But most companies that you deal with have sections in agreements and privacy policies that they will pass information on to law enforcement if compelled to. Technically we agree to that (even though in reality no-one reads the small print).
Gatt Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 that they can live without fear from one direction... Blimey - I know they're bad - but to have an entire nation fear you is - well - quite remarkable really!
edutech4schools Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Last year in New Scientist I read that cyber criminals had started to create their own internet. We will all be watched while the real criminals simple get around the security.
sonofsanta Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 I can't be the only one who got chills at the headline William Hague: Law-abiding Britons have nothing to fear from GCHQ As a far smarter man than I said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." 1
Ephelyon Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Blimey - I know they're bad - but to have an entire nation fear you is - well - quite remarkable really! Haha... no capitals though! As it happens we're only a few miles from the school where one of them went.
pcstru Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Your statement is one of "you've got nothing to fear if you've got nothing to hide". I shouldn't have to fear the government. They should fear us, the population - as we're the ones who put them there. WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH George Orwell - 1984
Pyroman Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Last year in New Scientist I read that cyber criminals had started to create their own internet. We will all be watched while the real criminals simple get around the security. Yeah, google Darknet and have a look at the Tor/Onion network there's loads of dodgy stuff going on around there (according to the papers - H*tmen/dr*gs etc etc.) and all payed for in Bitcoins. See - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=darknet&safe=vss&client=firefox-a&hs=YGN&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=P8W1UcjMPMOW0AWSvoCQAw&ved=0CA4Q_AUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47534661,d.d2k&biw=1280&bih=850&ech=1&psi=P8W1UcjMPMOW0AWSvoCQAw.1370867232083.3&emsg=NCSR&noj=1&ei=P8W1UcjMPMOW0AWSvoCQAw Edited June 10, 2013 by Pyroman
RabbieBurns Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 heard today from an interesting source that the reason the USA and AUS banned Huwai equipment wasn't because they contain Chinese back doors, but because they DONT contain backdoors. And the reason the UK doesnt ban huwai equipment is that it taps the network at the entrance and exit nodes to the country.
edutech4schools Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 And the reason the UK doesnt ban huwai equipment is that it taps the network at the entrance and exit nodes to the country. Does that mean that as long as your info is routing within the UK and not leaving our boarders it is not checked.
RabbieBurns Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 good question. Theyve probably got a tap in all the 21CN cabinets on every street corner.
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