RichB Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) I’m pulling my hair out now (or should I say pulled) so a crate of beer to the first person who can help me! Yes I will deliver a crate to your door…. Domain Controllers 2008r2 File Servers 2003r2 Main desktops XP Issue: We are going down the windows 7 route, better late than never! I have got EVERYTHING to work how I want it other than it mapping the start menu. We are using profiles .man.v2 and I don’t want to change that, they work well. I have copied over the start menu from where it lives in our XP profiles to windows 7. I know the start menu is called something different in windows 7. Already tried: • Folder redirection on the start menu (http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-7/73430-windows-7-start-menu-redirection.html) • Unticking hide protected operating system files • Copying the files the C:\ of the machine to test it – still does not show up and wouldn’t work if we added extra software automatically Any help would be great, and the beer will turn up! Edited March 4, 2013 by RichB
Steve21 Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) If you're using a mandatory profile, can't you just drop it into the default Appdata of that profile? MyProfile.V2\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs Should show up with hidden/system files on. Or am I missing something? *Edit - Or use that path for a full redirect if you prefer, or are you saying that path isn't working at all? Steve Edited March 4, 2013 by Steve21 1
eddyc Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 The start menu redirection is funny with Windows 7. You need to enable show common programs on the start menu in gpo in order for the redirected menu to actually work. Force Classic Start Menu and Remove Users Folders from the start menu also break the redirection. 1
eddyc Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 Our polices are set as follows; User Policies > Administrative Templates > Start Menu & Task Bar: Policy Setting Comment Add "Run in Separate Memory Space" check box to Run dialog box Disabled Add Logoff to the Start Menu Enabled Add Search Internet link to Start Menu Disabled Add the Run command to the Start Menu Disabled Change Start Menu power button Enabled Choose one of the following actions Log off Clear history of recently opened documents on exit Enabled Clear the recent programs list for new users Disabled Do not allow pinning items in Jump Lists Enabled Do not allow pinning programs to the Taskbar Enabled Do not display any custom toolbars in the taskbar Enabled Do not display or track items in Jump Lists from remote locations Enabled Do not keep history of recently opened documents Enabled Do not search communications Enabled Do not search for files Disabled Do not search Internet Enabled Do not search programs and Control Panel items Disabled Do not use the search-based method when resolving shell shortcuts Disabled Do not use the tracking-based method when resolving shell shortcuts Disabled Force classic Start Menu Disabled Gray unavailable Windows Installer programs Start Menu shortcuts Enabled Hide the notification area Enabled Lock all taskbar settings Enabled Lock the Taskbar Enabled Prevent changes to Taskbar and Start Menu Settings Enabled Prevent grouping of taskbar items Enabled Prevent users from adding or removing toolbars Enabled Prevent users from moving taskbar to another screen dock location Enabled Prevent users from rearranging toolbars Enabled Prevent users from resizing the taskbar Enabled Remove access to the context menus for the taskbar Enabled Remove All Programs list from the Start menu Disabled Remove and prevent access to the Shut Down, Restart, Sleep, and Hibernate commands Disabled Remove Balloon Tips on Start Menu items Enabled Remove Clock from the system notification area Disabled Remove common program groups from Start Menu Enabled Remove Default Programs link from the Start menu. Enabled Remove Documents icon from Start Menu Disabled Remove Downloads link from Start Menu Enabled Remove drag-and-drop and context menus on the Start Menu Enabled Remove Favorites menu from Start Menu Disabled Remove frequent programs list from the Start Menu Disabled Remove Games link from Start Menu Enabled Remove Help menu from Start Menu Enabled Remove Homegroup link from Start Menu Enabled Remove links and access to Windows Update Enabled Remove Logoff on the Start Menu Disabled Remove Music icon from Start Menu Disabled Remove Network Connections from Start Menu Enabled Remove Network icon from Start Menu Enabled Remove Pictures icon from Start Menu Disabled Remove pinned programs from the Taskbar Enabled Remove pinned programs list from the Start Menu Disabled Remove programs on Settings menu Disabled Remove Recent Items menu from Start Menu Disabled Remove Recorded TV link from Start Menu Enabled Remove Run menu from Start Menu Enabled Remove Search Computer link Enabled Remove Search link from Start Menu Enabled Remove See More Results / Search Everywhere link Enabled Remove the "Undock PC" button from the Start Menu Enabled Remove the Action Center icon Enabled Remove the battery meter Disabled Remove the networking icon Enabled Remove the volume control icon Disabled Remove user folder link from Start Menu Disabled Remove user name from Start Menu Disabled Remove user's folders from the Start Menu Disabled Remove Videos link from Start Menu Disabled Show QuickLaunch on Taskbar Disabled Turn off all balloon notifications Enabled Turn off automatic promotion of notification icons to the taskbar Enabled Turn off feature advertisement balloon notifications Enabled Turn off notification area cleanup Enabled Turn off personalized menus Disabled Turn off taskbar thumbnails Disabled Turn off user tracking Enabled 2
RichB Posted March 4, 2013 Author Posted March 4, 2013 no app data folder even with hidden folders shown
RichB Posted March 4, 2013 Author Posted March 4, 2013 The start menu redirection is funny with Windows 7. You need to enable show common programs on the start menu in gpo in order for the redirected menu to actually work. Force Classic Start Menu and Remove Users Folders from the start menu also break the redirection. Will give this a try in the morning
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 The start menu redirection is funny with Windows 7. You need to enable show common programs on the start menu in gpo in order for the redirected menu to actually work. Force Classic Start Menu and Remove Users Folders from the start menu also break the redirection. any idea where this is in GP done a search but cannot find it!
Arthur Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 The setting for common program groups is here: gpsearch.azurewebsites.net/#4636 1
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 Given it a go still no luck! was hoping for a quick fix this morning....
Steve21 Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 Have you tried just dropping one into AppData? Even if it doesn't exist currently. Unless you have it redirected that's where it should normally sit. (At least I think it is) Steve 1
sonofsanta Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 One thing that caught me out was that the Win7 redirected start menu requires your shortcuts to be inside a Programs folder e.g. redirect with GP to \\server\share\Win7StartMenu but actually put all your shortcuts into \\server\share\Win7StartMenu\Programs 1
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 There is no app data on the profile, inclduing hidden files. do you mean PC based?
AJWhite1970 Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 Set these two keys via a GPO to redirect the Start Menu? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders Value name Programs Value type REG_EXPAND_SZ Value data \\server\share\Start Menu\Programs Value name Start Menu Value type REG_EXPAND_SZ Value data \\server\share\Start Menu Andrew 1
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 Set these two keys via a GPO to redirect the Start Menu? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders Value name Programs Value type REG_EXPAND_SZ Value data \\server\share\Start Menu\Programs Value name Start Menu Value type REG_EXPAND_SZ Value data \\server\share\Start Menu Andrew nope..... I must be missing something so simple here!
LeMarchand Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 All I did was use the User\Windows Settings\Folder Redirection\Start Menu GPO and redirect to \\Server\Share\Start Menu with the links in a programs folder (like @sonofsanta mentioned above). The GPO it's in also has some computer policies and it's positioned in an OU for the suite with loopback enabled and security filtering for the suite + students. 1
Steve21 Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 I take it you don't have anything like this turned on? User Configuration > Polices > Administrative Templates > Start Menu and Taskbar > Remove user's folders from Start Menu From your XP setup still? Steve 1
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 @AJWhite1970 this does work yes, however it stops all the XP users having a start menu. I tried to create a new OU called windows 7 machines in the computer OU then apply a GP to that OU and put these in the user config but then doesnt work again! anymore ideas?
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 I take it you don't have anything like this turned on? User Configuration > Polices > Administrative Templates > Start Menu and Taskbar > Remove user's folders from Start Menu From your XP setup still? Steve Tried with it disabled, and not configured
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 Well everyone a MASSIVE THANK YOU for all your help I not know what I did, but it now works! I was messing around with removing video links and pictures links from the explore menu and it worked! I had done a GPupdate after every change but o well it works! Now to work out why, before it stops again! The wonderful world of windows 7 migration continues.... Egypt next week!
AJWhite1970 Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 @AJWhite1970 this does work yes, however it stops all the XP users having a start menu. I've learned from bitter experience that trying to share a policy with Win Xp and Win 7 just doesn't work, what works on one breaks the other. Forgive the egg sucking lesson but you need to create two WMI filters for your GPO's, XP Only and Win7 Only to stop cross pollution of settings XP Only Namespace: root\CIMv2 Query: Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem Where Version like "5.1%" and ProductType = "1" Win7 Only Namespace: root\CIMv2 Query: Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem Where Version like "6.1%" and ProductType = "1" Glad you got it sorted though 1
dtaylor Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 This works for us: Start menu folders share on server - start menu/programs/folders and shortcuts. GPO - Startmenu redirected to above location (we have different menus for Xp and 7 32 bit or 64 bit) Grant user exclusive rights to Start Menu Disabled Move the contents of Start Menu to the new location Disabled Also apply redirection policy to Windows 2000, Windows 2000 server, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 operating systems Enabled (admin templates/startmenu and taskbar) Remove Default Programs link from the Start menu. Enabled Remove common program groups from Start Menu Enabled Hope this helps 1
RichB Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 @AJWhite1970 I'd say ive pretty much cracked it now with one GP for XP users and Windows 7 users all under one hat! some unreal messing around though! Testing in a classroom next!
dtaylor Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 I only have the startmenu bit as different GPOs. Rest is shared
sonofsanta Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 As a point of interest, did you know you could use WMI filters to segregate your XP and Win7 policies? For XP: select * from Win32_OperatingSystem where Version like "5.1%" and ProductType = "1" For Win7: select * from Win32_OperatingSystem where Version like "6.1%" and ProductType = "1" Then you can stop your Win7 testing from affecting XP policies, and allow your Win7 testing to be clean without issues introduced by legacy policies. Also lets you run both systems side-by-side as you roll out your migration without having to recreate your OU structure and move everything over. Apologies if I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs here.
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