Default mandatory profile is slow to logon - is this normal?

[morganw]

I've found that when I create a mandatory profile for Windows 7 (by copying the default profile from the workstation - as supported by Microsoft), logging in with this profile takes about 1 minute 30 seconds. The two bits where it seems to pause for a while are 'Applying Folder Redirection' and 'Preparing Desktop'. The same delays occur when logging and building a letting a local profile build. If I make a profile by an unsupported method (i.e. log in with an account then using Windows Enabler to get a copy of the resulting profile) it only takes about 10 seconds to log in.

 

Is it normal for the default mandatory profile from a Windows 7 install to take 1 minute 30 seconds to log in?

[SYNACK]

Look through the event log to see exactly what stage of the process is causing the delay, it could be something to do with network conditions or permissions etc.

[morganw]

No errors in the event log, everything looks normal and works with no problems. It's just slow to login.

[morganw]

I've just noticed this

 

Log Name: Application

Source: ESENT

Date: 19/06/2011 16:42:33

Event ID: 220

Task Category: Logging/Recovery

Level: Information

Keywords: Classic

User: N/A

Computer: W7XSTEST.penrice.internal

Description:

WinMail (2924) WindowsMail0: Beginning the backup of the file C:\Users\morganw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail\WindowsMail.MSMessageStore (size 2 Mb).

Event Xml:

220

4

3

0x80000000000000

466

Application

W7XSTEST.penrice.internal

WinMail

2924

WindowsMail0:

C:\Users\morganw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail\WindowsMail.MSMessageStore

2 Mb

 

Maybe this is doing it.

[Dave84]

That Windows Mail thing doesn't help but it shouldn't slow it down by that much. If you remove the stubpath value from the registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C} it should stop that error appearing.

 

Also what antivirus are you using?

[morganw]

I think as part of the profile setup it generates about 12mb of mailbox data for the user, then initiates a backup of it which adds another 2mb. Overall the profile picks up about 20mb of data during the login.

Thanks for the registry tip, I'll take a look.

Antivirus is Microsoft Forefront Endpoint Protection 2010.

[featured_spectre]

20mb???? Jesus...cut it down to 2 or less, then you will be laughing.

[morganw]

The mandatory proflie is about 2, but when logging it it grows to 20. Most of it being down to the setup and backup of Windows mail.

[featured_spectre]

Take out Windows mail, use Outlook as a part of office and exchange server and profile won't grow to more than 5mb (ours hover at around 2.9mb fully loaded)

[morganw]

Is the registry edit above the only way to get rid of it with automation? We use Google Apps so we don't need a local mail client.

[featured_spectre]

There's your problem....Google apps has a track record of grinding profiles to a halt. Half the businesses that use it switched to office 365 and its still only in beta!!!

[morganw]

It's been three years and I wouldn't trade it in for anything else, Office 365 included :-)

[SYNACK]

It's been three years and I wouldn't trade it in for anything else, Office 365 included :-)

 

Not even fast logons?

[morganw]

Fast logons and make iTunes and Quicktime disappear, then maybe we've got a deal.

[featured_spectre]

Why do you have itunes and quicktime on there?????

[morganw]

I haven't at the moment, went the last year without Quicktime and was okay but now I've got there some iPods Touchs floating around for educational purposes so I need iTunes somewhere to let teachers updates Apps and such. Not my idea and I'm not convinced it's a good one, not particularly keen on everything Apple related being managed through music and app stores with no enterprise tools.

With my profile speed issue I've only got Smartboard Notebook (and it doesn't seem to be copying masses of stuff into the profile) and LanSchool installed. The only thing generating sizable files is Windows Mail.

[rinzwind]

What a bs about Google Apps... this is a very functional web app... it does not slow down login... It´s just a rant probably.

[rinzwind]

Thanks for the hint about Windows mail. Even if it isn´t ´installed´ it creates a 20mb database folder for each user at login.

 

To disable:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}]

"IsInstalled"=dword:00000000

 

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}]

"IsInstalled"=dword:00000000

 

Last key is additional for 64 bit systems only.

[morganw]

Have you got a slow logon when using the default profile as a mandatory profile too?

[BWMerlin]

Thanks so much for this, we have been having this problem since rolling out Windows 7 and keep getting pestered by staff as to why it takes so long for students to logon. Disabling the Windows Mail registry key has cut down login time to about twenty seconds in my testing so I am about to use Group Policy to apply this to all our lab machines and see how that goes.

[morganw]

Looks like a filescreen for desktop.ini files was the cause of my problem.

http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-server-2008-r2/86860-slow-logons-applying-folder-redirection.html

[apeo]

Just wondering if there anything else to look for with regards to a delay 'Preparing your Desktop'. Seems we have ~20 delay at this point.

[gshaw]

Just timed ours, 10-13 seconds at the moment. Check in Event Viewer > Applications & Services Logs > Microsoft > Group Policy to see what's taking the time. Mine has a 10 second delay in processing User Policy I might take a look at to see if I can cut that down at all.

 

Killing the WinMail key makes a big difference, once that's down and the GPOs suggested in the other thread not sure how much more can be done.

[psydii]

Dumping this here on the chance it may help people in the future.

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