pritchardavid Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 What are you guys planing to deploy for the new ICT? I have deployed the following so far - Small Basic (This is free) - Kodu Game Labs (This is free) Going to deploy - Visual Basic Pro 2010 SP1 (Free through DreamSpark) - Expression Studio Ultimate (Free through DreamSpark) - Windows Phone SDK - Android Devlopment, probs looking at Esclipe, unless we can get it working with Visual Studio 2010 Any other software ideas? Also is it best to have the Windows SDK with Visual Studio? This is going to be made with APP-V, so looks like Visual Studio, Expression Studio, Windows Phone SDK will have to be one package because of all the SDK and intergration between the products, does that sound the right thing to do?
fiza Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Can you get Expression Studio and Visual Basic Pro through Dreamspark for deployment in School? I thought it was for students to use at home. Try Scratch | Home | imagine, program, share
RichCowell Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Can you get Expression Studio and Visual Basic Pro through Dreamspark for deployment in School? I thought it was for students to use at home. Try Scratch | Home | imagine, program, share I contacted them shortly after I signed up for it a while ago, with the idea of moving from Dreamweaver (we were using an old version so it would have saved paying to upgrade)... The reply I got was that it is definitely not for use by pupils in school We apologize regarding any inconvenience, however the software provided through our DreamSpark offering is intended to be direct to students. The access keys, which you request through the order management system (https://www.dreamspark.com/highschool/wayf.aspx) are disseminated to students, which should be utilized on their own personal machines.
fiza Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I contacted them shortly after I signed up for it a while ago, with the idea of moving from Dreamweaver (we were using an old version so it would have saved paying to upgrade)... The reply I got was that it is definitely not for use by pupils in school I have just looked into this and it seems that there is a new Dreamspark Model. https://www.dreamspark.com/Institution/Subscription.aspx You can now deploy in Labs for student use but there is a subscription. $99 pa or $499 for premium. Still sounds good.
RichCowell Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I have just looked into this and it seems that there is a new Dreamspark Model. https://www.dreamspark.com/Institution/Subscription.aspx You can now deploy in Labs for student use but there is a subscription. $99 pa or $499 for premium. Still sounds good. That does look good... but are the other smaller things mentioned in the first post still included in that? (Small Basic / Kodu Game Labs / Windows Phone SDK) They'd be some of the key reasons for using it...
fiza Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 That does look good... but are the other smaller things mentioned in the first post still included in that? (Small Basic / Kodu Game Labs / Windows Phone SDK) They'd be some of the key reasons for using it... Kodu is available as a free download anyway, as is Free Basic (Phone App is paid for softwarE) Kodu - Microsoft Research Small Basic - Development for Beginners - MSDN
mavhc Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Had all these installed on our standard image 3 years ago, before any mention of programming Alice.org BASIC-256 - BASIC256 - An easy to use BASIC language and IDE for education. squeakland : home of squeak etoys YoYo Games | GameMaker for Windows RoboMind.net - Welcome to RoboMind.net, the new way to learn programming Scratch | Home | imagine, program, share
sonofsanta Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Just put Kodu in a lab for our ICT teacher to play with, looks brilliant as a starting point for tricking Year 7s into programming - no typing, really quick results, shiny graphics... the only danger is that everything else looks boring by comparison! Had a look at Adventure Game Studio the other day as well, still quite straightforward but looks like an actual IDE so could be a good way to get them used to that whilst still being based around making games (and therefore interesting to them) 1
zag Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 We installed python a while back. Notepad++ is also a good easy to use IDE
PiqueABoo Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 a text editor. Notepad++ is also a good easy to use IDE But what about the children?!? How will they learn anything ever again unless they use the biggest, shiniest environment on the planet?
CyberNerd Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 But what about the children?!? How will they learn anything ever again unless they use the biggest, shiniest environment on the planet? lol - the shiny things are so the teachers can understand it, and for software vendors to make money from. The point of the curriculum change is so that children can learn something useful, ie how to program, which at GCSE level requires a text editor at most.
garethEds Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Greenfoot is a good Java based tool. www.yousrc.com is a good java coding website. GJE
Arthur Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Android Development The lesson will be over by the time the Android emulator boots up.
gavlar Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I think Visual Basic 2010 and Expression are available with the Academic Alliance for lab installs (which is included with EES). AA has also merged with Dreamspark.
Dazzle Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I think Visual Basic 2010 and Expression are available with the Academic Alliance for lab installs (which is included with EES). AA has also merged with Dreamspark. Hiya could you explain what you mean when you say lab installs? Also what is EES?
gavlar Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Hiya could you explain what you mean when you say lab installs? Also what is EES? By lab install I mean installing the software in a computer lab/suite/classroom. Q. Our computer lab is used by students from several departments. Can we install the MSDNAA software on the lab computers and allow it to be used by the students from the other departments? A. Yes, one of the goals of the MSDNAA program is to make the software available for students to experiment with in a laboratory setting. Even if a member department shares a lab with another department, the software may be installed on lab computers and made accessible to any student wishing to use the computers. Be aware that member departments do not have the legal right to install the software on lab computers not affiliated with the member department. Additionally, the only students who would have the right to install the program software on their personal computers are those who are taking at least one credit class in the member department. MSDNAA FAQs for Faculty: General Information About the Program EES is a volume licensing subscription from Microsoft for Educational Establishments.
Dazzle Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 By lab install I mean installing the software in a computer lab/suite/classroom. MSDNAA FAQs for Faculty: General Information About the Program EES is a volume licensing subscription from Microsoft for Educational Establishments. Interesting thank you
PiqueABoo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) The point of the curriculum change is so that children can learn something useful, ie how to program, which at GCSE level requires a text editor at most. Uh huh.. prior to posting I'd read a thread on the RM forum where a significant part of the general drift is the difficulties deploying and running a VPC XP+VS Pro image which apparently is a 5-6GB VHD and needs a minimum 2GB RAM. Now I've spent more years professionally s/w engineering than the kids who'll start learning with that have lived, and the conversation just seems surreal. Insane. I definitely get graphical programming a la Scratch, Kodu etc. (8yo Sprogette currently loves them almost as much as Moshi Monsters) and I wouldn't want anything less than a decent syntax highlighting editor a la Notepad++, possibly more. But VS Pro? Windows SDKs? What the.. ?!? Not working for a s/w house team any more (where some of the bells & whistles do matter) if I'm writing dotNet my usual weapon of choice is VS C# *Express* because it does everything I ever need to do, and some code I'd rather write myself than have written for me. Why a beginner would need VS Pro is completely beyond me and they won't need the Windows SDK because half of that essentially relates to C++ native code which I assume definitely isn't on the curriculum(?), and web browsers make the dotNet half redundant, not that this is about learning dotNet surely? It will be interesting to see how it plays out because there's a very observable split: One side is doing the same old "must use industry standard mega tools" stuff and throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it, the others might actually have taken some clear hints from some of those ICT v. Computing reports etc. Whatever, I'll be betting on the ones with the Raspberry Pis and the like. See also my sig. Edited February 2, 2012 by PiqueABoo
CyberNerd Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 It will be interesting to see how it plays out because there's a very observable split: One side is doing the same old "must use industry standard mega tools" stuff and throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it, the others might actually have taken some clear hints from some of those ICT v. Computing reports etc. Whatever, I'll be betting on the ones with the Raspberry Pis and the like. See also my sig. I was thinking exactly the same thing this evening with respect to the 'industry standard' argument. Scratch is out. I'm also wondering why network managers think that a raspberry pi with root linux, python and a network connection is going to be such a good idea - given that it is an ideal hackers environment (and therefore programmers environment). The only sure thing is that MS will produce and market the tools to make sure the next generation of programmers can only use MS, thus exacerbating the issue of increasing hardware requirements.
Arthur Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 Would a cloud-based development environment such as ApplicationCraft be suitable?
zag Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 Why a beginner would need VS Pro is completely beyond me and they won't need the Windows SDK because half of that essentially relates to C++ native code which I assume definitely isn't on the curriculum(?), and web browsers make the dotNet half redundant, not that this is about learning dotNet surely? This......!
sister_annex Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 Along with Kodu and a few others I can't remember atm, we have just put out Yenka.com it was introduced to us by one of our new NQTs parts of it are completely free, others you have to pay for. However, they are currently doing an 'Offer us a price for our product' which to be honest seems like a good way to get it cheap!
EJWill Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 Would a cloud-based development environment such as ApplicationCraft be suitable? This seems absolutely brilliant for a school learning environment. With an option for an in-house intranet server in the works, and the talk of Education licensing (Education License). We'll be seriously looking into this for our school.
Disease Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 Our head of IT said she did not want any programming software as students should learn that in college and Uni, so she is sticking with teaching office and animated gif's for animation in fireworks. Sad isn't it, that person is in charge of developing young minds.
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