X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 God dammit. I was trying to check my e-mails last night and kept getting "The password is incorrect" Checked caps lock, wasn't on. So, I tried again. "The password is incorrect" Went to recover/reset my password by secret question. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ANSWER IS! Seriously, out of the 5 options they give you none of them apply. In total it took me about 2 hours to get access to my account again. Thankfully it seems everything is OK with my Live account. [i need to check Xbox though...] I've just changed all my passwords, but I have the feeling I've forgotten something. Any suggestions? Done: Live account Amazon Play Game HMV [Are you seeing a theme here?] Facebork Et'tu'Geek Teh World o' Woecraft can be left, I have an authenticator.
MK-2 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 You think that's bad, I've been having problems getting my dad logged in to Rockstar Social Club so he can play GTA4. It kept asking for username and password which I put in, it says Invalid Username and kicked me out. Went on for two days and in the end I sat there just looking at the screen and saw it didn't say username/password it said email/password. I had just assumed it wanted the username I registered! Two days and two 16GB downloads of the game later and it went in fine, with the information it originally asked for! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Posted November 1, 2011 You think that's bad, I've been having problems getting my dad logged in to Rockstar Social Club so he can play GTA4. It kept asking for username and password which I put in, it says Invalid Username and kicked me out. Went on for two days and in the end I sat there just looking at the screen and saw it didn't say username/password it said email/password. I had just assumed it wanted the username I registered! Two days and two 16GB downloads of the game later and it went in fine, with the information it originally asked for! FFS!!!!!!!!!!! Xbox 360 version. I have none of these shenanigans. I'm guessing this is some sort of Steam DRM? You PC gamers have my sympathies, it sucks when a few idiots spoil everything for the rest.
MK-2 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Xbox 360 version. I have none of these shenanigans. I'm guessing this is some sort of Steam DRM? You PC gamers have my sympathies, it sucks when a few idiots spoil everything for the rest. Well actually that was the crux of my argument in another thread. My dad had an illegal version before, double click exe, play game. Now he has a legit version and its double click exe, log in to steam, log in to rockstar social club, log in to windows live gaming, then play.
sonofsanta Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 My favourite was Tiscali web support. There was no phone number listed on their website, only an online helpdesk malarkey. I click to register a problem and it pops up with "you must sign in with your Tiscali support account". Fair enough, seems reasonable. Click on register, tap in all the details, go through the motions - "The email address you provided already has an account associated with it. Please sign in with your email and password". Oh right, must have signed up in the past, or they're clever and create the account when they set the connection up. Lovely. Click on sign in. Tappity tap, guess the password, should be easy - "The email address you provided does not have an account associated with it. Please register a new account to proceed". Er... After a few circles I decided, as Tiscali must have intended all along, giving up on complaining about their stupid shoddy net connection. Swines. On a different note, OP: look up LastPass. After the Gawker shenanigans at the start of the year I started using it and it's marvellous. Random passwords for every website I use. Not even I know my passwords anymore, that's how safe it is! 1
CAM Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Well actually that was the crux of my argument in another thread. My dad had an illegal version before, double click exe, play game. Now he has a legit version and its double click exe, log in to steam, log in to rockstar social club, log in to windows live gaming, then play. Steam is perfectly fine, I have a major beef with any developer who wants distributes their game via Steam then insists on installing and running Windows Live Games. Rockstar were worse, they wanted that social club installed too! I didn't even bother playing it in the end. I don't see any point in requiring Steam then insisting a million other networks are used. The game is already authenticated with Steam and a perfectly good multiplayer system is available using the Steam Community. And yes, I'd have equal hatred for a Windows Live Games title requiring me to log in to Steam.
Earthling Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Steam is perfectly fine, I have a major beef with any developer who wants distributes their game via Steam then insists on installing and running Windows Live Games. Rockstar were worse, they wanted that social club installed too! I didn't even bother playing it in the end. I don't see any point in requiring Steam then insisting a million other networks are used. The game is already authenticated with Steam and a perfectly good multiplayer system is available using the Steam Community. And yes, I'd have equal hatred for a Windows Live Games title requiring me to log in to Steam. Broody Herr, he said in his Benny-Hill-impersonating-an-Eastern-Asian-Impersonation, used to be you could log-on to a news-server, download a cracked game, Daemon tools it, and play. Then go out and buy the game if you liked it, of course, officer. Now all this buy the game, then pay for on-line play (WoW), log-in to a hundred different web-sites, find your preferred server's down and go through the whole malarkey again. No wonder I gave up gaming.
Greenbeast Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) How odd, i just had exactly the same with hotmail last night/this morning. stressful Edited November 1, 2011 by Greenbeast
MK-2 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Steam is perfectly fine, I have a major beef with any developer who wants distributes their game via Steam then insists on installing and running Windows Live Games. Rockstar were worse, they wanted that social club installed too! I didn't even bother playing it in the end. I don't see any point in requiring Steam then insisting a million other networks are used. The game is already authenticated with Steam and a perfectly good multiplayer system is available using the Steam Community. And yes, I'd have equal hatred for a Windows Live Games title requiring me to log in to Steam. Exactly, I don't have a problem with Steam, but when I then require an additional two accounts to be created it irks me.
ZeroHour Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 You think that's bad, I've been having problems getting my dad logged in to Rockstar Social Club so he can play GTA4. It kept asking for username and password which I put in, it says Invalid Username and kicked me out. Went on for two days and in the end I sat there just looking at the screen and saw it didn't say username/password it said email/password. I had just assumed it wanted the username I registered! Two days and two 16GB downloads of the game later and it went in fine, with the information it originally asked for! FFS!!!!!!!!!!! Just to say that was a bug which they have fixed, I had that too.
Greenbeast Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 X-13 have you found any malware that might have keylogged your password?
LosOjos Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 On a different note, OP: look up LastPass. After the Gawker shenanigans at the start of the year I started using it and it's marvellous. Random passwords for every website I use. Not even I know my passwords anymore, that's how safe it is! I'm very sceptical about these things - if somebody discovers your LastPass password, surely that means they will have access to all your other passwords? Seems inherently less secure to me!
sonofsanta Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I'm very sceptical about these things - if somebody discovers your LastPass password, surely that means they will have access to all your other passwords? Seems inherently less secure to me! By virtue of now only having to remember one password, I can make that password much stronger, the difficulty of remembering it outweighed by the convenience of just having the one to remember. I can change it more frequently as it's much more convenient to change just that one than passwords everywhere. And if you're of a sensible disposition and suitably paranoid about security, whilst also being motivated to do something about it, you can get a number of two-factor authentication methods to work with LastPass. 1
LosOjos Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 By virtue of now only having to remember one password, I can make that password much stronger, the difficulty of remembering it outweighed by the convenience of just having the one to remember. I can change it more frequently as it's much more convenient to change just that one than passwords everywhere. And if you're of a sensible disposition and suitably paranoid about security, whilst also being motivated to do something about it, you can get a number of two-factor authentication methods to work with LastPass. Hadn't looked at it that way, thanks
MK-2 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 By virtue of now only having to remember one password, I can make that password much stronger, the difficulty of remembering it outweighed by the convenience of just having the one to remember. I can change it more frequently as it's much more convenient to change just that one than passwords everywhere. And if you're of a sensible disposition and suitably paranoid about security, whilst also being motivated to do something about it, you can get a number of two-factor authentication methods to work with LastPass. or...... http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png And ZH, was that a bug? I set up GTA4 on my PC and it all worked, then went round to my dads and it didn't. Just wish you didn't have to go via all these networks to play a damn game....Steam can do multiplayer invites, let it! 1
sonofsanta Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Hadn't looked at it that way, thanks Does remind me though, I am about due to change that password now. Good intentions are all well and good till they meet great forgetfulness...
LosOjos Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 or...... http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png Got to love XKCD!
LosOjos Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Does remind me though, I am about due to change that password now. Good intentions are all well and good till they meet great forgetfulness... And so I fail at the first hurdle with LastPass - it's auto generated password was not the one it saved against my EG account, but the one I was changing from awaiting my password reset email now... EDIT: still not getting my new password from EG, and I have no clue what LastPass changed it to. Uninstalling LastPass and hoping I can regain access to my EG account when I close my browser! Edited November 1, 2011 by LosOjos
sonofsanta Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 And so I fail at the first hurdle with LastPass - it's auto generated password was not the one it saved against my EG account, but the one I was changing from awaiting my password reset email now... EDIT: still not getting my new password from EG, and I have no clue what LastPass changed it to. Uninstalling LastPass and hoping I can regain access to my EG account when I close my browser! If you open your LastPass vault it should have a section for recently used at the top, and should list the generated password for EduGeek.net. It's not always perfect when setting it up due to the enormous variances in the names of fields across the web but once it's set up it's fine. 1
X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Posted November 1, 2011 X-13 have you found any malware that might have keylogged your password? Nope. Nothing on my system, or the couple of computers at work I use. Perhaps, Hotmail itself was hacked. or...... http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png Sadly... There isn't enough space to truly do that. correcthorsebatterystaple is too damn long for a lot of places. [i still remember that perfectly every time.]
MatthewL Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 eBay, PayPal, Banking sites are some you may have missed.
Rydra Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Hmmm, that's something I hadn't really thought much about. For every character you add to a password it adds 100 times the number of combinations that a computer has to attempt. There are 3 levels of security, the first is to use a PW that isn't in a standard dictionary or regularly used word. Made up names are fantastic for passwords. This stops simple guesswork. The second one, is to have a password that you can type fluidly, to stop people from watching you type it. The third is to use a complexity that makes it hard for a computer to guess it. The simplest option is to make up a word of your choosing, ideally 4-8 characters long, and simply type it more than once. One option, is to pick a sign, poster, or product name/label that is always around where you use this PW, (For example, I have a timetable in front of my desk for classroom use, with the title "Draft Timetable - Based in ICT2" If I take the first two letters of each word, I get "drtibainic". This isn't a word anyone would guess, and it's relatively easy to type with no messy letters. Now type it twice.... "drtibainicdrtibainic". You now have a password that is a completely made up name, 20 characters long. No ordinary computer would be able to compute this password in a normal timeframe, yet you've got a perfect reminder right in front of you, that only you or a psychological genius could work out.
X-13 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Posted November 2, 2011 yet you've got a perfect reminder right in front of you, that only you or a psychological genius could work out. Or anyone who has read this thread now...
CAM Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Golden rule of passwords, never tell anyone! Graham Cluely has a good method that you can try for generating strong passwords: How to choose a strong*password | Naked Security Regarding XBox Live, it is ridiculously easy to break into an account. There are videos of it all over YouTube, their customer service line is so poor at security you just have to pretend you are the account holder. That's probably how they got in. I'm wary about the single strong password method though. Trojans still kick about but phishing took over as a popular way of getting passwords. Now the human element is becoming more resistant to attacks, web server break-ins and leaks are becoming a tasty treat for password snoopers. It's all well and good having the password 4584ghtTV:gr3nss93993n[]fsija32 but if that password is on pastebin, everything is compromised.
MK-2 Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Hmmm, that's something I hadn't really thought much about. For every character you add to a password it adds 100 times the number of combinations that a computer has to attempt. There are 3 levels of security, the first is to use a PW that isn't in a standard dictionary or regularly used word. Made up names are fantastic for passwords. This stops simple guesswork. The second one, is to have a password that you can type fluidly, to stop people from watching you type it. The third is to use a complexity that makes it hard for a computer to guess it. The simplest option is to make up a word of your choosing, ideally 4-8 characters long, and simply type it more than once. One option, is to pick a sign, poster, or product name/label that is always around where you use this PW, (For example, I have a timetable in front of my desk for classroom use, with the title "Draft Timetable - Based in ICT2" If I take the first two letters of each word, I get "drtibainic". This isn't a word anyone would guess, and it's relatively easy to type with no messy letters. Now type it twice.... "drtibainicdrtibainic". You now have a password that is a completely made up name, 20 characters long. No ordinary computer would be able to compute this password in a normal timeframe, yet you've got a perfect reminder right in front of you, that only you or a psychological genius could work out. I refer the honorable gentlemen to the xkcd poster I posted earlier. It's great having drtibainicdrtibainic as a password, but when you are sat somewhere thinking "now what is it, was it the first two letters, but i remember a number 2 at the end, did i put that"....it all gets very complicated if you have certain amount of letters etc. correcthorsebatterystaple is just as effective, as you can type it fairly quickly, anybody watching would hardly think correct-horse-battery-staple is your password, etc.
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