somabc Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Has no one posted about the upcoming Public Sector / teacher Strike? Will you be going on strike as well? BBC News - Teachers confirm 30 June as strike day
laserblazer Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Ummm http://www.edugeek.net/forums/behind-red-door/77602-teachers-strike-30th-june.html
somabc Posted June 15, 2011 Author Posted June 15, 2011 I was wondering if more people will be going on strike as it is not just the Teaching Unions involved but also Unison etc.
glennda Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I'm not and TBH i think the unions are a total waste of space. they cost this country so much money - yes you have a point but they are not going to listen to you. they partly put us in most of this mess
Jamo Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I'm not and TBH i think the unions are a total waste of space. they cost this country so much money - yes you have a point but they are not going to listen to you. they partly put us in most of this mess I have to say that that is just plain wrong! Unions are there to protect, we wouldn't have half the privaledges at work without them. How do they cost the country more money than putting up hundreds of (already) rich politicians in their 'second' home in London? Or the 100 bedroom house the deputy pm has..... They protect the very people that ACTUALLY work really hard for what can amount to hardly anything at all.
SYNACK Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I have to say that that is just plain wrong! Unions are there to protect, we wouldn't have half the privaledges at work without them. How do they cost the country more money than putting up hundreds of (already) rich politicians in their 'second' home in London? Or the 100 bedroom house the deputy pm has..... They protect the very people that ACTUALLY work really hard for what can amount to hardly anything at all. All depends on the union, we have some here and I am certain that many of the reps/employees of the union are unable to deworm their pets for fear of being poisoned by the mediation.
glennda Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I have to say that that is just plain wrong! Unions are there to protect, we wouldn't have half the privaledges at work without them. How do they cost the country more money than putting up hundreds of (already) rich politicians in their 'second' home in London? Or the 100 bedroom house the deputy pm has..... They protect the very people that ACTUALLY work really hard for what can amount to hardly anything at all. Its my Opinion - I'm not going to start a big argument over it but thats just what i think. Yes they are there to protect people but they are pretty useless most of the time and just decided to strike over whatever. But I am of the nature that i just get on a do things and don't argue (aslong as it is reasonable). But before joining IT i worked in a Enviroment (catering) where it was just get on a do it and take you money at the end of the day and leave and then come in the next day to do the same
localzuk Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I have to say that that is just plain wrong! Unions are there to protect, we wouldn't have half the privaledges at work without them. How do they cost the country more money than putting up hundreds of (already) rich politicians in their 'second' home in London? Or the 100 bedroom house the deputy pm has..... They protect the very people that ACTUALLY work really hard for what can amount to hardly anything at all. Can you give me some examples where union action has led to the protections and privileges we enjoy now? (And I don't mean individual cases of legal action being helped by them, I mean general laws/rules etc...). 1
Jamo Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Can you give me some examples where union action has led to the protections and privileges we enjoy now? (And I don't mean individual cases of legal action being helped by them, I mean general laws/rules etc...). Well just recently: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/11/unions-attack-plans-to-reform-employment-laws Think about it this way, although they probably don't shape the way our countries employment law has been developed they do allow us to have some say directly in the way our country is run. voting is one thing, but as the weekly bin collection voters have found out, promises aren't always kept!
glennda Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Well just recently: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/11/unions-attack-plans-to-reform-employment-laws Think about it this way, although they probably don't shape the way our countries employment law has been developed they do allow us to have some say directly in the way our country is run. voting is one thing, but as the weekly bin collection voters have found out, promises aren't always kept! But lets face it - they are going to do what they are going to do so you might aswell just put up with it and get on with it - this country would be so much more productive if people just got on with things and stopped wasting so much money on pointless excersises. lets face it - what does a strike tell the government that a petition on the downing street site doesnt? not alot just P*ss's a whole load more people off.
localzuk Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Well just recently: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/11/unions-attack-plans-to-reform-employment-laws Think about it this way, although they probably don't shape the way our countries employment law has been developed they do allow us to have some say directly in the way our country is run. voting is one thing, but as the weekly bin collection voters have found out, promises aren't always kept! They can have their say without militant behaviour and strikes though. This kind of behaviour just annoys people, and makes them dig their heals in.
localzuk Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Many of our employment laws are in place due to EU laws, not unions. Yet many people here dislike the EU...
Gatt Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Looking forward to it - chance to get some work done in piece!!
bossman Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Might put a few days holiday in and go walking in the Lakes
beeswax Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Many of our employment laws are in place due to EU laws, not unions. Yet many people here dislike the EU... Which EU laws would they be? Sick pay? Maternity leave? Paid holidays? 1
DrummerBoy Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 IMHO the unions have had their day. When there was not employment law, or protection, they served a valuable purpose. However, in the last 40 years they have been hijacked by self serving, politically motivated leaders, who are more concerned with their own positions than the people at the bottom. They are dinosaurs who offer no real benefit to the modern worker, and have failed to move with the times. They want all the power of running a business (or the country), without taking any responsibility when it all goes wrong due to their machinations. and breathe - not a fan as you can tell!!
creese Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Just got this from my rep. "...Union want to show solidarity for these Unions and their members in their strike, but due to the law, it is not advisable for you to not cross these picket lines, if you do you may face a disciplinary,...." I haven't a clue what I'm supposed to do. Anyone translate???
teejay Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Which EU laws would they be? Sick pay? Maternity leave? Paid holidays? Social Security Directive for Sick Pay, Working Time Directive for holiday, Pregnant Workers Directive for Maternity Leave. 1
Hawkeyez Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 "We want to support the strike, but if you decide to not cross the picket line, and you get in trouble for it, dont come to us"
teejay Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Just got this from my rep. "...Union want to show solidarity for these Unions and their members in their strike, but due to the law, it is not advisable for you to not cross these picket lines, if you do you may face a disciplinary,...." I haven't a clue what I'm supposed to do. Anyone translate??? Go into work as normal, or else you could face disciplinary action.
creese Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 So, it's inadvisable for me to refuse to cross the picket lines. Too many NOTs in the original.
Hawkeyez Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Yep, unless your union is officially on strike, then work as normal.
mdrabble Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I'm a member of unison (dont laugh) and on the last unison strike I crossed the picket line, simply because at the time I could not afford to loose any money due to my ex-wife going through cancer treatment at the time. The members on the picket line knew my situation, allowed me to pass. I was not disciplined in any way shape or form and the other members said nothing to me. If there is a picket line with the NUT, i shall be crossing it yet again I need the money for child support etc.
SteveT Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Firstly, Unison are not striking!!! Secondly, and for those people who are anti-union, I hope you have good legal insurance of your own and will be equally as ready to turn down any benefits won by union activity! Remember Union members are not forced to strike even if their union has called for one. It is illegal for any Union to take action against anyone not striking. It's your decision, albeit a moral one, and if your workmates are accepting of your reasons for not supporting them there isn't a problem.
teejay Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I'm a member of unison (dont laugh) and on the last unison strike I crossed the picket line, simply because at the time I could not afford to loose any money due to my ex-wife going through cancer treatment at the time. The members on the picket line knew my situation, allowed me to pass. I was not disciplined in any way shape or form and the other members said nothing to me. If there is a picket line with the NUT, i shall be crossing it yet again I need the money for child support etc. Don't be surprised though if when you do need their help in the future you suddenly find it very difficult to get any support from them.
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