copyright help.

[goodhead]

If the history dept own a dvd on ww1 and they want to share it between staff without loosing the disk and it getting damaged over time.

 

Whats the copyright issue in ripping the dvd to a single avi and then storing on server?

[Geoff]

It's illegal.

[goodhead]

It's illegal.

 

Geoff are you sure?

 

How would it be done legally???

[localzuk]

It depends on the license that you have for the dvd. Most likely though, as Geoff says, it is illegal.

[Midget]

You are legally allowed to make ONE Backup copy of the DVD.

 

So make one copy and store the original somewhere safe (away from the teachers as they'll just think they can use both at once)

[Guest Guest]

So what do people say to staff then when they ask?

 

We have it all the time and they take a strop if we tell them its illegal - answer with "Oh but i only need it for the one lesson/assembley in like an hours time"

 

"Yeah but its still illegal wether you use it once or a thousand times"

[goodhead]

You are legally allowed to make ONE Backup copy of the DVD.

 

So make one copy and store the original somewhere safe (away from the teachers as they'll just think they can use both at once)

 

So your saying we could have a copy of the dvd on a server as the main copy and then keep the original disk as the backup, say in the server room.

 

Most dvds they have are educational ones so should have licence info with them.

[Midget]

My understanding is from 1:1 copies, ripping the DVD to DivX goes into the grey realm because you can easily make more copies (for instance when doing a server backup)

 

Just make 1:1 copies (ie make an exact copy onto a blank DVD)

[djm968]

This site may help to clarify the situation

 

http://www.licensing-copyright.org/

[StewartKnight]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you Midget, there are NO provisions to "backup" a comercial DVD, uless explicitly expressed.

 

Technically, what you're doing when you copy a dvd is copyright infringement... not "illegal" as such, but the people who try to enforce it are out to scare you (Hollywood, record labels etc.).

 

You'd only infringe on the copyright if you removed / circumvented the copy protection.

 

If the disc in question had no protection, then, you've done nothing wrong.

[Midget]

What's legal in this country and what's legal in america are 2 different things.

also what the MPAA say is illegal and what is ACTUALLY illegal are another 2 completely different things.

[Geoff]

It's illegal because you have to bypass the copy protection to make the copy. Bypassing DRM is a criminal offence.

 

There is no concept of 'fair use' in UK copyright law Midget.

[localzuk]

Also, there are no provisions in UK copyright law for making a backup copy of anything. It is done and no-one is prosecuted for it but it is still illegal.

 

Also, making a backup is not the same as changing format and placing on a mass distribution system (server)...

[mattx]

At the end of the day who is going to know ?

If its to benifit the children & in the realms of their education - do it.

We all record TV shows, tapes, CDs, etc etc - thats all illegal. Stupid out of day laws...... Grrrrrr........ :-)

[CyberNerd]

A. Fair Dealing

 

This applies particularly, but not exclusively, to the restricted act of copying. There is no precise definition and interpretation is ultimately made by the courts. However, it essentially allows limited copying without permission provided it is fair and the commercial interests of the rights holder are not damaged. 4 Fair Dealing applies principally to literary, artistic, dramatic and musical works. For films, sound recordings, computer software etc. it may apply in more limited circumstances.

 

http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/ipr/fairdealing.htm

[mrforgetful]

So in those terms as long as they only use one copy at a time you'll be fine, but if nother are used together it could be claimed that you've effectively stopped the staff purchasing another copy, hence, against the commercial interests of the copyright holder. If everyone just copied everything once, only half as much stuf woul dbe sold.

 

Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.

[Midget]

I think that was on Star Trek

[Geoff]

No you wont. As I said before, to copy a commercial DVD you must bypass the CSS copy protection system. Breaking DRM is a crime.

 

So while yes, you might have the right to make a copy under 'Fair Dealing', the DRM system prevents you from exercising that right.

 

In conclusion, DRM sucks.

[Midget]

What if you can make a 1:1 without affecting the DRM?

[Andrew_C]

At the end of the day who is going to know ?

If its to benifit the children & in the realms of their education - do it.

We all record TV shows, tapes, CDs, etc etc - thats all illegal.

You do have an ERA agreement in place, don't you? This allows the recording of TV broadcasts and the storage on servers, for use in or by the school.

 

The real difficulty is with purchaced material. If I record "Romeo + Juliet" from the BBC I can keep it on video, copy to DVD or a server, and keep it forever. If someone loses this copy and I buy a new copy, should I be allowed to digitise and store it on the server? In law, probably not; BUT FFS WHY?

[Geoff]

What if you can make a 1:1 without affecting the DRM?

 

That would be fine.

[Andrew_C]

Breaking DRM is a crime.

Which Act? The RIAA may be able to enforce that in the States, but I'm not so sure here. (IANAL)

 

Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.

"Von Neuman machines", taking the local raw materials and building copies of themselves.

[budgester]

No you wont. As I said before, to copy a commercial DVD you must bypass the CSS copy protection system. Breaking DRM is a crime.

 

So while yes, you might have the right to make a copy under 'Fair Dealing', the DRM system prevents you from exercising that right.

 

In conclusion, DRM sucks.

 

This depends on the region encoding, if its region 0 then has no DRM encoding.

 

Breaking DRM is not a crime, at least not yet in the uk, but it is in the good ole US of A under the DMCA.

 

DRM is exactly that, Digital Rights Mananement which is supposed to make it difficult to unencode discs with unlicensed software, however your main issue is copyright, and usually the reason that people want to break DRM is to enable them to infringe on the copyrighted material. Of course there are good reasons to break the DRM as well, for instance I might want to watch a Japanese Manga movie that has been region encoded, if this is the original disc, I can either get a second DVD player with the appropriate region decoder, or get a software decoder on my PC, or many other ways.

 

However I am usually wrong so take all the above with a pinch of salt.

 

Your best move is to contact the copyright holder of the DVD and ask them if they will allow you make a copy of the DVD for a media server, get permission in writing (or an email and store it with your licenses), I find hinting that you would be more inclined to buy from there catalogue will increase your chances of getting this permission.

 

Regards

 

Budgester

[budgester]

So in those terms as long as they only use one copy at a time you'll be fine, but if nother are used together it could be claimed that you've effectively stopped the staff purchasing another copy, hence, against the commercial interests of the copyright holder. If everyone just copied everything once, only half as much stuf woul dbe sold.

 

Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.

 

Moving towards it with these

 

http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome

[Geoff]

Which Act?

 

Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003. In particular pay attention to regulation 24 and section 296.

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_3.htm#mdiv24

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_21.htm#mdiv296