tosca925 Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 We have just been informed that our ISP (throught the LEA) is putting up the cost of the 10Mb connection we have. Apparently for the last 2 years it has been heavily subsidised and now it the subsidisation has ended. The new cost is different to each school depended on its pupil size. As we have 1500 kids ours is probably the highest in the LEA. What roughly should we be payng for a 10mb connection, what do you lot pay?
GrumbleDook Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 We will be paying £13k as of April for a 10 meg line via the RBC ... but our present 2 meg is £14k via NTL.
GrumbleDook Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Regional Broadband Consortium ... in our case EMBC. They are starting to standardise on 10 meg installations now (as per the minimum specs that have been recommend by DfES/Becta/etc) for the National Education Network. We are hoping for a february installation, and our NTL connection drops in April ... but we should have 6-10 weeks of cross-over ... just in case :-)
MkII Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Same here tosca. The schools portion of the bill = £600,000.00 per year we're told here. Last we heard it was joped the money would be coming from GEST. Our school is lucky in that we're in a large Town with cheap broadband available. If we split the costs to more isolated schools would be catastrophic.
ConTheITGuy Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 We pay about 2k here for approx. 400 kids + 500K for ISP services (which gets taken off us before we see it - so we don't miss it!) Including, from somewhere, Sophos Not sure which speed we're on. Apparently, some schools in Lancs (not sure if I read it here or not) are on 100Meg! Andy.
Geoff Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Regional Broadband Consortium ... in our case EMBC. They are starting to standardise on 10 meg installations now (as per the minimum specs that have been recommend by DfES/Becta/etc) for the National Education Network. Presumably thats the minimum for secondary schools and not primaries. Whats the minimum for primaries? Apparently, some schools in Lancs (not sure if I read it here or not) are on 100Meg! Here in Lancs, primaries get 2mb and secondaries get 100mb.
StewartKnight Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 100mb, we have Cleo as a provider, and I don't think I've ever had my full 10mb! BTW, the geek code is getting on my nerves... I still haven't figured out what it's supposed to mean!!!
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 @Geoff. Primary speeds will increase as newer wireless receivers are fitted once they have been upgraded from ISDN. They will be getting at least 10 meg in the future. Don't ask me for timescales. It seems that we in Lancashire\Cumbria got it right by building our own infrastructure as we get to go faster than most other RBCs and have far fewer problems now. High schools with newer microwave receivers get 54Mbps and those who have got fibre connections are on 100Mbps (155Mbps is projected for future use).
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Same here tosca. The schools portion of the bill = £600,000.00 per year we're told here. Last we heard it was joped the money would be coming from GEST. Our school is lucky in that we're in a large Town with cheap broadband available. If we split the costs to more isolated schools would be catastrophic. Be careful of cheap broadband. It will not fulfill your needs as a large school. ISP are very cost consious and will promise you the earth but once you satrt to have GB's per day throughput they will start to up the costs, once you add in contention (bandwidth sharing)at the local exchange into the figures you actually end up with quite a poor service. A previouse poste has stated that they pay 14k per annum for a 2Mbps leased line. This is about the right price, but considering many schools now need far higher bandwidth the price will skyrocket. We get many schools quoting home internet packages and their pricing at us, but they don't take into account that they will not apply to schools due to bandwidth usage, the need for filtering, e-mail, AV and all of the other things that many teachers overlook when they see perceived problems with their current connection and go on about how their home ISP has never let them down!. P.S. Why is the argument always 'Its not like this when I try to do it at home'?
StewartKnight Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 are you sure you're getiing 100mb, according to my CLEO source you're on 10mb, same a Cumbria. Can you try this and see what it says?
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 What you get and what it looks like are often not the same thing. Once you factor in enviromental variables, network config and end site\service speed than often the speed looks a lot lower than you have. Just because you have a car which can go 160MPH you often still have to stick to 70!
StewartKnight Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 however you spin it, theres a lot of difference between 10mb & 100mb though!
ConTheITGuy Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 BTW, the geek code is getting on my nerves... I still haven't figured out what it's supposed to mean!!! www.ebb.org/ungeek/
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Many of our schools are 100Mbps. It's just that the rest of the internet is not.
StewartKnight Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 the way i see it, 10mb over 100 computer is pants, 100mb over 100 computers is 1mb each for the internet!
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Not all computers will be making requests at the same time! Some people are just not happy.
Geoff Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 the way i see it, 10mb over 100 computer is pants, 100mb over 100 computers is 1mb each for the internet! True, but as Dos_Box says not all the machines are going to be requesting data. Some wont even be turned on or logged in. Even the ones that are being used wont be requesting data all the time. You have to read the web pages occasionally. However if it is becoming a problem there are solutions. I'd start with some intelligent web caching and traffic shaping.
russdev Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 but then ironic really where isps are now starting to offer 8mb and soon 24 mb connections... Russ
GrumbleDook Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Regional Broadband Consortium ... in our case EMBC. They are starting to standardise on 10 meg installations now (as per the minimum specs that have been recommend by DfES/Becta/etc) for the National Education Network. Presumably thats the minimum for secondary schools and not primaries. Whats the minimum for primaries? Apparently, some schools in Lancs (not sure if I read it here or not) are on 100Meg! Here in Lancs, primaries get 2mb and secondaries get 100mb. Off the top of my head, by 2008 all school should have a minimum of 10 Meg, and most secondaries should have 100 Meg. UKERNA say it is possible, the RBCs say it is possible, but there is no extra funding available, and no matter how much Becta recommend things to the DfES, the DfES always think it can be done on a shoestring.
Dos_Box Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 but then ironic really where isps are now starting to offer 8mb and soon 24 mb connections... Russ But they are dedicated leased lines and will suffer contention at the local exchanges. I've done a lot of research into this and if you want that kind of speed on a dedicated connection be prepared to pay 100K plus for it.
Geoff Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 but then ironic really where isps are now starting to offer 8mb and soon 24 mb connections... 10mb Cable here from Blueyonder. £35 a month. No caps. No distance or contention issues with cable either.
tosca925 Posted September 10, 2005 Author Posted September 10, 2005 @geoff 10mb Cable here from Blueyonder. £35 a month. No caps. No distance or contention issues with cable either Has you upgrade been done already then?
Geoff Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Yes, but I hacked it myself ages ago too anyway.
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