RabbieBurns Posted April 6, 2009 Posted April 6, 2009 Ive got a gentoo server ive built a few years ago, with all IDE disks, which I have expanded to include a SATA PCI card. It was running fine with 1x 750gb HD off the SATA card, but after I added a second HD, (which worked for a couple of days) the system just wont boot. It doesnt even get to the boot stage. It detects the card, lists both the HDs, then just hangs. If I unplug both the sata cables from both the HDS, it will boot. If i plug back in only the previously working Sata HD, it still doesnt boot. Is the SATA card causing the problems? Is there master/slave with sata that I have neglected or something?
SYNACK Posted April 6, 2009 Posted April 6, 2009 Could the SATA card have tried to setup RAID on the two drives and failed or more likely has the SATA adapter somehow taken over boot priority from the IDE drives. There is no master/slave settings on sata to worry about.
RabbieBurns Posted April 7, 2009 Author Posted April 7, 2009 I would have thought though, if it was trying to boot from the Sata drives, it would still say something about no boot device found, or operating system not found, or something. It just sits and hangs there. Also, afaik, it isnt a raid card its just an expansion card, but I could be talking crap there. Also the new drive is different from the existing one.
RabbieBurns Posted May 25, 2009 Author Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) Im still having this problem. I tried a brand new sata card and the problem is still existing. lspci shows 00:0e.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3512 [sATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 01) I also have one of these: 00:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller (rev 02) When I have a sata HD plugged into the sata controller, I dont get the on screen display from the IDE controller and the list of drives attached to it. Spent the last 4 hours on google and saw the mention of this: Also check if the mode is in ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment) or ACHI (Advanced Host Controller Interface) Is that a bios setting on the mobo I should try changing? Edited May 25, 2009 by RabbieBurns fixed quote ]
kmount Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Yeah you can play with the AHCI function in the BIOS. Concerning though, is your PSU up to the job of running it all?
RabbieBurns Posted May 25, 2009 Author Posted May 25, 2009 yep, PSU has been upgraded in November or something. Theres a thread on here somewhere that we got to the crux that it was the PSU that was the culprit. The thing thats getting me is that this was working with 1 disk, then stopped after a while after I added the second one. Ill get into the bios now and have a look and play. Its hard doing this over skype as the server is 10,000 miles away in scotland ;p
RabbieBurns Posted May 25, 2009 Author Posted May 25, 2009 right there was no AHCI anywhere I could see in the bios. Is that only there in newer bioss that have sata onboard perhaps?
kmount Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I've not got much experience (none) with add in sata cards like the one you're using, but like scsi/raid cards maybe it has its own BIOS?
RabbieBurns Posted May 25, 2009 Author Posted May 25, 2009 yep, it is set to just SATAlink mode, which I believe is correct for standalone operation. From what ive read today on google, you need to flash it with the SATAraid bios to get the "press F4 for the raid configuration utility" option to appear.
RabbieBurns Posted June 7, 2009 Author Posted June 7, 2009 ok trying to reflash the bios, running the flash util its detected the card OK, but its now given a prompt of 14 types of flash memory to choose from. Ive no idea what to choose. 1mb or 2mb or 4mb with AMD and other stuff. How do I know? Its a Sweex Sata card.
mac_shinobi Posted June 7, 2009 Posted June 7, 2009 ok trying to reflash the bios, running the flash util its detected the card OK, but its now given a prompt of 14 types of flash memory to choose from. Ive no idea what to choose. 1mb or 2mb or 4mb with AMD and other stuff. How do I know? Its a Sweex Sata card. surely that would depend on the spec of the card ( as am guessing they have different versions of the cards that have 1, 2 or 4mb )
Michael Posted June 7, 2009 Posted June 7, 2009 If you extract the hard disk in question and temporarily install it in a second system (as a slave) do you see the folder structure and most importantly the Windows folder? If you do then great, i'd be tempted to boot from a Windows Setup disc, go to the Recovery Console and type fixboot Once complete, remove the disc and restart the machine. However if you don't see any folder structure or the Windows folder then something has probably erased the hard disk. This does happen when you want to create a RAID array of any type.
RabbieBurns Posted June 7, 2009 Author Posted June 7, 2009 If you extract the hard disk in question and temporarily install it in a second system (as a slave) do you see the folder structure and most importantly the Windows folder? If you do then great, i'd be tempted to boot from a Windows Setup disc, go to the Recovery Console and type fixboot Once complete, remove the disc and restart the machine. However if you don't see any folder structure or the Windows folder then something has probably erased the hard disk. This does happen when you want to create a RAID array of any type. Appreciate the reply, but... gentoo is a linux distrubution.. also, this is an expansion card just to add more space, the drives on it arent booting. And ive tried the drives in an external usb enclosure and both work fine, so something is f'ing up with the sata card. I think I might just try a different type of card altogether.
RabbieBurns Posted June 7, 2009 Author Posted June 7, 2009 surely that would depend on the spec of the card ( as am guessing they have different versions of the cards that have 1, 2 or 4mb ) its a chipset that Silicone Images makes but they sell it to various differnet manufactures and the chipset ends up on motherboards, PCI cards etc. This is a Sweex branded card, with the Silicone Images SIL 3152 chipset on it. So theres various flavours of the same chipset I guess.
Michael Posted June 7, 2009 Posted June 7, 2009 gentoo is a linux distrubution.. My apologies, I just presumed you were running Windows, but you're infact just using it for additional storage. Thinking about it further, have you tried taking the SATA card out and re-seating it? And tried it in another PCI slot (if possible?) Another way of looking at it, is when you disconnect the drives and boot your system, is the SATA card listed when you look at the equivalent of Device Manager?
RabbieBurns Posted June 7, 2009 Author Posted June 7, 2009 My apologies, I just presumed you were running Windows, but you're infact just using it for additional storage. Thinking about it further, have you tried taking the SATA card out and re-seating it? And tried it in another PCI slot (if possible?) Another way of looking at it, is when you disconnect the drives and boot your system, is the SATA card listed when you look at the equivalent of Device Manager? Tried it in different pci slots, reseated it a number of times. I even bought a replacement, in case it was damaged somehow (an exact same make/model etc etc) and they both exhibit the same problems. Ill try a different card/chipset next. And if that doesnt work, then Ill just get a IDE card and some sata to ide converters!
RabbieBurns Posted June 17, 2009 Author Posted June 17, 2009 Tried it in different pci slots, reseated it a number of times. I even bought a replacement, in case it was damaged somehow (an exact same make/model etc etc) and they both exhibit the same problems. Ill try a different card/chipset next. And if that doesnt work, then Ill just get a IDE card and some sata to ide converters! Can anyone recommend a 2 port sata PCI card that doesnt use a Silicone Images chipset? Also, I found one of these http://www.startech.com/Share/Gallery/Large/IDE2SAT25.Clarge.jpg Would I just plug the sata cable into that, and then that thing into an IDE socket? Whats the white connector for?1
SYNACK Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Would I just plug the sata cable into that, and then that thing into an IDE socket? Whats the white connector for?1 Its a floppy disk drive power connector to provide power for the converter to function.
RabbieBurns Posted June 18, 2009 Author Posted June 18, 2009 Oh right, so Id need a PSU that had one of them. Ah well thats that idea out the question then. Any suggestions on a sata card?
SYNACK Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 You could just use a y cable off a normal power connector: Belkin Components Disk Drive Power Y Splitter Cable 6 In Power Supply Adaptor Cable Assembly > Maplin As to a sata card does it need RAID and what OS specificly does it need to be compatible with?
RabbieBurns Posted June 19, 2009 Author Posted June 19, 2009 no need for RAID, just an expansion card. Its a gentoo linux system, and for some reason somethings just not working with the Silicone Image cards, but I don't think its OS related, as the problem lies before the system even boots.
RabbieBurns Posted July 4, 2009 Author Posted July 4, 2009 Is Promise a brand that will just use another chipset, or is Promise the actual chip? Ive found this one that looks promising: Promise SATA300 TX4 - storage controller - SATA-300 - PCI / 66 MHz OEM - Ebuyer Ive used adaptec before with success, and this one looks good Adaptec Serial ATA II RAID 1420SA - Storage controller (RAID) - 4 Channel PCI-X - SATA-300 low profile - Ebuyer However it says its low profile, does it exist in normal size? Cheers!
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