ZeroHour Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Karma, no matter what you do it will come back to bite you where it hurts the most. Up to 20,000 pirates who thought they would get away without paying for iWork '09 have learned that the hard way. A recent copy of iWork '09 was leaked to the web but contained a free bonus add on, a virus called OSX.Trojan.iServices.A. This virus does the nasty work of installing itself in the startup as root. It then goes on and broadcasts its location and allows for malicious users to take over your Mac and install anything they want and modify files already on your computer. It goes without saying that people who stole this software will probably have a hard time removing the malicious program because of that nature it was installed. Karma has certainly come full circle to those trying to pirate software. Source: Neowin.net - Where unprofessional journalism looks better
Pyroman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Ha! not against the pirates but mac users in general!
Messa Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I love my mac's - We are secure leave us alone haha
mattx Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/Laughing.jpg 2
Messa Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Now thats just too far what is it exactly that you don't like about mac's?
Pyroman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I'm a PC I'm a Mac I know i'm prone to viruses so i have antivirus software installed on me I'm not prone to viruses because mr jobs says so Mac you don't look so good =D
webman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Ridiculous price, vendor lock-in, the fanboy/elite -ism ...
mattx Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Trojan hides in pirated copies of Apple's iWork '09 Can't stop laughing, Oooo- i think I've wet myself.
Michael Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Ridiculous price, vendor lock-in, the fanboy/elite -ism ... It's $79 which is £58. Nothing compared to MS Office! As for the pirates, serves them right although I've had the pleasure of removing Antivirus Plus this afternoon. Shame Sophos picked up nothing in the way of spyware (which Antivirus Plus is)!
Messa Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Fair points i guess, each to their own, i'm not gna start a whole PC/Mac/Linux row
Pyroman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 the thing that's tickled me is i guess PC pirates scan things before they install them because they know windows is open to attack whereas mac users will have just blindly installed it because "it can't happen to us"
webman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 It's $79 which is £58. Nothing compared to MS Office! As for the pirates, serves them right although I've had the pleasure of removing Antivirus Plus this afternoon. Shame Sophos picked up nothing in the way of spyware (which Antivirus Plus is)! Although I was referring to the whole cost of a Mac setup (to use iWork you need a Mac, and that will cost you a fair bit to begin with); you can also say £0 for OpenOffice is nothing compared to £58. @Pyroman: Totally agree
mrforgetful Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 It's $79 which is £58. Nothing compared to MS Office! As for the pirates, serves them right although I've had the pleasure of removing Antivirus Plus this afternoon. Shame Sophos picked up nothing in the way of spyware (which Antivirus Plus is)! Comparing iWork to MS Office is like comparing a leper to a supermodel. Oh I know, the presentation software is really good. Apparantly. Meh. We have 12 Macs and they take as much time with failed starts as I spend with 500 PCs and XP. I do like them though I must admit. As for OT...whatever, if you get things from dodgy sourced without checking them what did they expect?
Michael Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Although I was referring to the whole cost of a Mac setup (to use iWork you need a Mac, and that will cost you a fair bit to begin with); you can also say £0 for OpenOffice is nothing compared to £58. Very true MACs are a lot more expensive than PCs, yet (as far as I am aware) the hardware is pretty much identical to PCs these days. It all comes in a fancy case with a nice Apple logo on it That's what people are paying for! I am suprised Apple have decided to enter the Office suite market. There's enough competition as it is and I would of thought the market itself is already exhausted. Microsoft for example are having a tough time as it is to try and convince users to upgrade to Office 2007.
tmcd35 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I would like to point out that, as with all known mac virus's, they have to trick the end user into installing/running them in the first place! They cannot install/run by themselves. This one is using a modified install script to trick the end user into giving the virus permission to install as a super user in the startup folder. Traditionally, Vista's annoying security goes someway to remedying this, a Windows virus could do what they please without having to get the end user involved at all! A Windows virus can just run itself as a background task as administrator without the end user doing anything more than opening a zip file, inserting a disk or surfing to a website.
Messa Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 So, lets say Macs were cheaper, would you go out and buy one then? is it just the price your against?
mrforgetful Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 hardware is pretty much identical to PCs these days. It all comes in a fancy case with a nice Apple logo on it That's what people are paying for! When people say to me 'but it looks really nice' i say A similar PC spec would cost £400 less, imagine the custom case you could have made for that...
ZeroHour Posted January 23, 2009 Author Posted January 23, 2009 It's $79 which is £58. Nothing compared to MS Office! As for the pirates, serves them right although I've had the pleasure of removing Antivirus Plus this afternoon. Shame Sophos picked up nothing in the way of spyware (which Antivirus Plus is)! Erm... [ame=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000HCZ8EO/30000191-21/?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE]Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student Edition (3 User Licence) (PC): Microsoft: Amazon.co.uk: Software[/ame] is cheaper and you get 3 licenses and a vastly more powerful suite (based on various website review comments). iWork is not enterprise grade office software but it works. I just hate the fact its more locked in then MS ever were. At least MS made some editions of office for mac.
webman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 So, lets say Macs were cheaper, would you go out and buy one then? is it just the price your against? No, they have no features that I need or want. Shiny stuff doesn't bother or interest me at all. Plus the UI is dull.
Michael Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Comparing iWork to MS Office is like comparing a leper to a supermodel. It's still an Office Suite technically, along with Google's efforts. I agree they're probably in a different league, but you can still word process! So, lets say Macs were cheaper, would you go out and buy one then? is it just the price your against? I personally see no justification for the much higher hardware prices, bearing in mind (in newer MACs) it is essentially the same as PC hardware. I also like the flexibility of being able to upgrade components I want, which is a little more difficult on a MAC. Price aside, there's undoubtedly more software/choice available for Microsoft Windows. And as for the old debate of MACs being more secure than Windows; if you're a virus writer you're going to target your efforts on the wider market and something like 85% is Microsoft Windows (in some form). It's just common sense really.
Messa Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 See, you assume i say that from a fanboy level webman, when i'm just really enquiring as to other than the price people don't like them? I personally dont think Mac's are superior to Pc's and vice verser, just that a lot of software is bundled with Mac's that is really useful and would cost a fortune to get legally on windows They both have their advantages and disadvantages...
Michael Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Erm... Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student Edition (3 User Licence) (PC): Microsoft: Amazon.co.uk: Software is cheaper and you get 3 licenses and a vastly more powerful suite (based on various website review comments). I suppose it depends what version you go for. I don't actually know what iWork includes as a comparison to Microsoft Office. iWord, iExcel, iPowerPoint, iOutlook you get the idea I can't be bothered to look I couldn't imagine it coming to Windows, but then again Safari did...
tmcd35 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I suppose it depends what version you go for. I don't actually know what iWork includes as a comparison to Microsoft Office. iWord, iExcel, iPowerPoint, iOutlook you get the idea I can't be bothered to look I couldn't imagine it coming to Windows, but then again Safari did... iWork contains only three apps. Pages = A cut down DTP package - seriously more in common with DTP than a fully fledged WP. On the WP side it's Wordpad with a few more bells and whistles. Numbers = A simplified spreadsheet package. Think Google Apps Spreadsheet, but off-line. Keynote = A presentation package, a.k.a Powerpoint. Put simply the best Presentation package on any platform and the only reason to buy this dreadful package. I run Open Office 3 on the Mac, far superior to iWork, and free!
Domino Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 And all Mac users are the same? I've used Macs at home for years and never had an issue, doesn't mean I'm gonna trust any old rubbish 1
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