What would you build...

[sjatkn]

What wireless management system Cisco, HP ?

 

I currently use an HP managed solution and it works very well. However if I were to get a second go then I would take a serious look at Extricom (Extricom) wi-fi blanket system. It claims fast roaming and higher client bandwidth.

[Michael]

very view orgs will be wiling to wait 5 years to implement 10gbps in part or in all....

 

with new switch purchases and equipment now 1gbps capable, it makes sense that if the endpoints are moving exclusively to 1gbps over the next 2-3 years then 10gbps uplinks be used to link back to the core. Only very specific server applications require 10gbps to the server, but for core uplinks i think 10gbps makes a great deal of sense....with some stackable switches now available with dual personality 1gbps sff or 10gbps x2 ports and at reasonable price, the cost issue is primarily one of the optical interfaces and NICs rather than the cost of the switches.

 

10gbps blades for some core switches are still quite expensive but again it's more like 18 months to 2 years where the price becomes affordable.

 

I think very view organisations won't have implemented 10Gbps until the end of 5 years. Practically every server you can buy now comes with single or dual 1Gbps Ethernet, but the cost of 10Gbps is so much at the moment, you'd be better off buying additional servers to load balance through a 1Gbps switch.

 

Take the HP 3400cl-24G. This is a 20 port gigabit switch costing around £1800.

 

The 10Gbps fibre modules vary: J8173A (£1800), J8175A (£1300), J8176A (£4800). These prices are what the modules cost each, so you'd need at least 2, plus the fibre itself.

 

You can pick up the HP 1800-24G - a 24 port gigabit switch for £240. The gigabit fibre modules also vary: J4858C (£160), J4859C (£400), J4860C (£2200).

[contink]

I might be looking into the netgear wifi management system when our new school is built.

 

the prosafe range.

 

Anyone seen and used this yet/

 

If so what's it like?

Going that route in the next week or so... I'll report back when I resolve other more pressing issues.

[contink]

I actually think what I'd build, and this is cheating, a play room for teachers to try out new technology, ideas and learn how to use some of the kit properly... Sort of a time bubble where they leave their stress and priorities at the door and just learn.

 

Yeah, ok... the tech isn't there yet but can you imagine!! ?!!

[localzuk]

I think very view organisations won't have implemented 10Gbps until the end of 5 years. Practically every server you can buy now comes with single or dual 1Gbps Ethernet, but the cost of 10Gbps is so much at the moment, you'd be better off buying additional servers to load balance through a 1Gbps switch.

 

Take the HP 3400cl-24G. This is a 20 port gigabit switch costing around £1800.

 

The 10Gbps fibre modules vary: J8173A (£1800), J8175A (£1300), J8176A (£4800). These prices are what the modules cost each, so you'd need at least 2, plus the fibre itself.

 

You can pick up the HP 1800-24G - a 24 port gigabit switch for £240. The gigabit fibre modules also vary: J4858C (£160), J4859C (£400), J4860C (£2200).

 

You're thinking from a schoo/SMB point there. Those prices for a large enterprise would likely get a quick nod as part of a project to ensure network speed for the next X years.

 

And as for 1 computer per child. Sure, it may be a decade, but the number of machines in schools is ever increasing. The government goal of using VLEs is forcing this. Without 1 pc per child, VLEs in school become kinda pointless. And out of school, even more so.

 

Cost wise, it isn't that extreme to see it happening. The advent of the cheap UMPC removes some of the issues, such as storage space and cost. I can't remember if it was the Dell or HP model which charges it's battery in 90 minutes. Sure, we need bulk battery charges to be brought out for these PC's but there is no reason why this won't happen very soon.

[Michael]

You're thinking from a schoo/SMB point there. Those prices for a large enterprise would likely get a quick nod as part of a project to ensure network speed for the next X years.

 

Yes you're right. After all this is a forum primarily for educational establishments, so I am talking in context

 

And as for 1 computer per child. Sure, it may be a decade, but the number of machines in schools is ever increasing. The government goal of using VLEs is forcing this. Without 1 pc per child, VLEs in school become kinda pointless. And out of school, even more so.

 

Again I agree, at least a decade is realistic. I was getting the impression people were thinking in the next few years.

 

Cost wise, it isn't that extreme to see it happening. The advent of the cheap UMPC removes some of the issues, such as storage space and cost. I can't remember if it was the Dell or HP model which charges it's battery in 90 minutes. Sure, we need bulk battery charges to be brought out for these PC's but there is no reason why this won't happen very soon.

 

Mobility will play a big role, as I believe laptops are outselling desktops with the gap increasing every year. I often hear it's because most customers say laptops are more stylish than having a tower in their front room and they'd be right!

[localzuk]

The thing is, the demands of school IT systems are moving from SMB to enterprise level demands. That is why 10Gb networking is relevant here.

 

IT use has increased hugely over the last couple of years. And it's use is increasing exponentially. So getting ready now for the next 5 - 10 years would only be good practice.

[HodgeHi]

Going that route in the next week or so... I'll report back when I resolve other more pressing issues.

 

That would be great.

 

I was mostly interested in how the wifi planning part went.

 

Apparently you can input a plan of your school and it will pin point the ideal locations and amount of APs that you would need for complete seamless wifi roaming coverage.

 

If you could let me know how you get on with this part it would be great. I don't think theres anything worse than deploying a 100% WIFI coverage. In my experience it was an absolute nightmare.

[DMcCoy]

I think very view organisations won't have implemented 10Gbps until the end of 5 years. Practically every server you can buy now comes with single or dual 1Gbps Ethernet, but the cost of 10Gbps is so much at the moment, you'd be better off buying additional servers to load balance through a 1Gbps switch.

 

Take the HP 3400cl-24G. This is a 20 port gigabit switch costing around £1800.

 

The 10Gbps fibre modules vary: J8173A (£1800), J8175A (£1300), J8176A (£4800). These prices are what the modules cost each, so you'd need at least 2, plus the fibre itself.

 

You can pick up the HP 1800-24G - a 24 port gigabit switch for £240. The gigabit fibre modules also vary: J4858C (£160), J4859C (£400), J4860C (£2200).

 

I have 2 3400s, 2 2900s and 2 5400s. All support 10Gb and the 5400s are already using the 10Gb modules you mentioned.

[PeterW]

Intel are getting very excited they reckon soon thier 2 port 10Gb card will be close if not the same price as thier 4 port 1Gb equivilant card so in theory you are getting 20Gb for the price of 4Gb

[torledo]

Intel are getting very excited they reckon soon thier 2 port 10Gb card will be close if not the same price as thier 4 port 1Gb equivilant card so in theory you are getting 20Gb for the price of 4Gb

 

that's a tad optimistic....the quad port gigbit copper adapter is 400-500 from what i remember, and atm intels xf sr dual port PCIe card is about 1600 quid....so that's a long way to go before a PCIe based card is deemed 'affordable'. 400 quids for a single port 10gbe card and 600-800 for a dual port version would be a competitive price imo.

 

it would also mean dual and quad port 1gbps server adapters coming down into the 100-200 range....and i dont mean d-link.

[PeterW]

They were talking about a $750 price point for the dual port 10Gb PCI-E card at some point in the near future, which product that will be wasent clear (it may be an upcoming release).

[torledo]

They were talking about a $750 price point for the dual port 10Gb PCI-E card at some point in the near future, which product that will be wasent clear (it may be an upcoming release).

 

now that is intriguing, i may put off that 10GBase-SR NIC card purchase i was planning....i wasn't that keen on going with a PCI-X card anyway.