IntelligenceHS_Scott Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Interested to see who's using Veeam Cloud Connect currently and if there is there anyone considering moving in this direction in the near future for their off-site backups? Thanks
Guest Guest Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 We're going to be moving to this from Redstor in April for our SIMS Server. We currently pay £900 a year for 90GB of storage, I've been quoted £15 per month for 1TB with Ovh
sparkeh Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 We’ve been holding off as up to now as the price has always been too high but that price seems a lot lower than we’ve found so far.
PotNoodleTech Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 I am interested in it as I already use Veeam and it would be great to get a once a week backup copy off site into a nice safe spangly datacentre somewhere. Interested if anyone is using it in anger.
CHiLL Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 We've looked into it in the past but the cost of hosting is too much for education, espcially in this level of cuts we've been experiencing. We have calculated that the combined size of our full backup files is approximately 5TB and that's just live data. We'd also like to archive our end of year backups for 5 years, which are 3TB each. So we'd need something like up to 20TB and that doesn't come cheap.
Arthur Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 So we'd need something like up to 20TB and that doesn't come cheap. Based on the figures @localzuk posted on Discord, backing up 20TB to Azure (archive tier blob storage) would only cost £300 per year.
sparkeh Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Yes using something like Azure is much cheaper. I tested using Cloudberry backup to upload the Veeam backups to Azure and that seemed to work well.
PotNoodleTech Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 I think the secret is to not to go toocrazy with cloud backup - you don't need to back up everything every day 365 days a year, only really backing up to a cloud to mitigate losing your entire site. the chances of this happening are very low so despite it being a high risk is is so unlikely that it is not worth spending £Thousands or Tens of £Thousands to mitigate. Doing one full backup a month and reverse incrimentals once or twice a week would cover that "nuke on school" scenario adequately without eating through too much bandwidth. That's my plan anyway! 1
dhicks Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 We're going to be moving to this from Redstor in April for our SIMS Server. We currently pay £900 a year for 90GB of storage, I've been quoted £15 per month for 1TB with Ovh Backblaze charge $5 per TB per month - currently around £3.80: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html We do a nightly sync of our on-site Veeam backup folder using rclone, seems to be working okay.
PotNoodleTech Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Backblaze charge $5 per TB per month - currently around £3.80: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html We do a nightly sync of our on-site Veeam backup folder using rclone, seems to be working okay. So is your data being stored in europe using backblaze?
localzuk Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) We looked at Cloud Connect, and we just can't understand the high cost for it - what is the middle-man offering between Veeam and the actual hosting? That's the big question that no-one has been able to answer me so far. So, we ended up going with Cloudberry (which is pretty cheap as a one off purchase!) and using Azure archive storage. The big costs are the upload and download. Data just sitting there is pretty cheap - so storing yearly backups is very cheap to do. We have 64TB in there at the moment, with a weekly upload of data anywhere between a full backup (17TB) and 1TB (block based changed data). We spend £194 per month on this now, but I have plans to change how we back things up (we currently back every VM up every week to it, but this is unnecessary, so I'm going to tier my backups - SIMS/Data etc... every week, infrastructure stuff less often). We've also not been very tidy with our data - so there's probably a chunk of it we can simply delete. Edited January 29, 2020 by localzuk 1
dhicks Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 So is your data being stored in europe using backblaze? Yes, EU Central (Amsterdam). 1
IntelligenceHS_Scott Posted February 3, 2020 Author Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) If you're looking for a cost effective Veean Cloud Connect Repository thats based in the UK (Harrogate) As one of the forum sponsors we're offering a great price of £23.92 per month for 1Tb worth of space. This is fully scalable with a flexible monthly costs with no tie ins. We also offer the ultimate in disaster recovery options to cover all eventualities from crypto to fire. Been UK based we can recover your data to hard drives from our warehouse and ship same day via courier or allow you to collect. We also have the availability of HP and Dell servers which we could pre-configured and fully restored all your data to the server and ship to your site if this was something you would like to help you sleep better at night. Free trials are currently available to all Edugeek members, get in touch if you'd like a chat or to try out our service. Edited February 3, 2020 by IntelligenceHS_Scott 1
supportman Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 If you're looking for a cost effective Veean Cloud Connect Repository thats based in the UK (Harrogate) As one of the forum sponsors we're offering a great price of £23.92 per month for 1Tb worth of space. This is fully scalable with a flexible monthly costs with no tie ins. We also offer the ultimate in disaster recovery options to cover all eventualities from crypto to fire. Been UK based we can recover your data to hard drives from our warehouse and ship same day via courier or allow you to collect. We also have the availability of HP and Dell servers which we could pre-configured and fully restored all your data to the server and ship to your site if this was something you would like to help you sleep better at night. Free trials are currently available to all Edugeek members, get in touch if you'd like a chat or to try out our service. Out of interest is there anyway to pay up front for this rather than monthly?
supportman Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 Backblaze charge $5 per TB per month - currently around £3.80: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html We do a nightly sync of our on-site Veeam backup folder using rclone, seems to be working okay. Backblaze don't seem to support Veeam Cloud Connect though.
Arthur Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) We looked at Cloud Connect, and we just can't understand the high cost for it - what is the middle-man offering between Veeam and the actual hosting? That's the big question that no-one has been able to answer me so far. Veeam Backup & Replication v10 will have object storage support so you'll finally be able to backup to Azure blob storage directly without any middle-men involved. B2 still won't be supported, but Wasabi should be since it's S3 compatible. Edited February 4, 2020 by Arthur 3
sparkeh Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 Veeam Backup & Replication v10 will have object storage support so you'll finally be able to backup to Azure blob storage directly without any middle-men involved. B2 still won't be supported, but Wasabi should be since it's S3 compatible. About bloomin' time!
IntelligenceHS_Scott Posted February 5, 2020 Author Posted February 5, 2020 Yes, we can arrange payments up front for any period you would like covering. Give me a call if you'd like to discuss
DrCheese Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 Veeam Backup & Replication v10 will have object storage support so you'll finally be able to backup to Azure blob storage directly without any middle-men involved. B2 still won't be supported, but Wasabi should be since it's S3 compatible. I'm totally lost when it comes to the object storage thingy - How are you guys buying storage from Azure/Amazon etc & how does it work? :s - I always get a bit scared of cloud stuff that's billed on usage.
localzuk Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 I'm totally lost when it comes to the object storage thingy - How are you guys buying storage from Azure/Amazon etc & how does it work? :s - I always get a bit scared of cloud stuff that's billed on usage. Here, we have an Azure Storage account in our Azure account, in that we have a container which holds the data. In our backup software (currently using CloudBerry) we then enter the settings for this and tell the backup to utilise the Archive tier storage on the account. That's all there is to it. We also have a rule set up in Azure that deletes data that is more than 180 days old. We buy Azure credits from our MS reseller, and add them to Azure periodically, and the costs are deducted from those.
dhicks Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 I'm totally lost when it comes to the object storage thingy - How are you guys buying storage from Azure/Amazon etc & how does it work? We have an AWS account set up that charges to our departmental credit card. You can set up alerts for when the monthly bill goes over a certain amount - we're currently spending around £200 a month on AWS storage, which we aim to cut considerably by moving to Backblaze.
armadillo Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 We have an AWS account set up that charges to our departmental credit card. You can set up alerts for when the monthly bill goes over a certain amount - we're currently spending around £200 a month on AWS storage, which we aim to cut considerably by moving to Backblaze. Hi David,I hope you don't mind me asking after months of this thread. Can you please let me know how you're finding Backblaze and if it supports VEEAM? Thanks in advance.
IntelligenceHS_Scott Posted July 3, 2020 Author Posted July 3, 2020 Hi David Might be worth checking our costs out on the calculator below. Our total cost should come out cheaper than Backblaze and we're UK (Harrogate) based. https://intelligencehs.co.uk/cloud-backup/
JKUK Posted May 4, 2022 Posted May 4, 2022 Veeam Backup & Replication v10 will have object storage support so you'll finally be able to backup to Azure blob storage directly without any middle-men involved. Don't forget, backing up to S3 doesn't provide the same benefits of Veeams Cloud Connect offering from the "middle-men" Pros 1) You get immutable backups 2) Low cost upfront Cons 1) Immutable backups mean storage usage will continually grow, costs can spiral. 2) You're not protected from an "insider attack" as Veeam call it. If someone chagnes the retention points to 1 or 1000 you can be in hot water in both scenarios 3) Testing backups usually incurs exgress charges (you should be testing cloud restores monthly as a minimum) 4) No guarantee of data sovereignty Food for thought
PotNoodleTech Posted May 6, 2022 Posted May 6, 2022 Just setting up cloud connect here for the first time - first hurdle is LEA firewall seems to be blocking things! Will report back when Veeam can connect to the cloud!!
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