CCTV AI

[jthompson]

Saw this article about AI being used to detect shoplifters and it made me think about the future of CCTV in schools. I've thought for a while now that were it possible, many schools would love to have an all-seeing AI supervising the kids and automagically flagging and tagging fights, tardiness, etc. It seems like an inevitable direction for things to go in, but I wonder whether it would be all that healthy to have young people inured to such regimes.

[Wubbalubbadub]

Doubt we would see something like this in schools for a long while..

 

Simply due to Cost.

[Net-Ctrl]

Mobotix have some pretty cool integrated analytics, that can create alerts based on students movements/actions - for example a student walking up to a fire alarm and suddenly turning and running - large crowds building quickly etc - people in forbidden areas in certain times of day - so we're already seeing use cases of this in schools and colleges.

 

More info here: https://www.mobotix.com/en/products/software/camera-integrated-video-analysis

[mikes]

yeah, get them used to living under the All Seeing AI. I remember there was this new school filtering product that analysed each users screens in realtime, and if it detected an unusual amount of skintoned pixels (with darker circles being nipples) it would take a screenshot and flag it up as potential pornography. But any news on software like this seems to have died a death; probably it is actually much harder to get stuff like this right.

 

In my old callcentre job everything was strictly regimented based on when you signed into your phone; once I signed out for a toilet break (max 10 minutes at a time, at most 15 minutes in a day) - I was 10 minutes 40 seconds and was pulled up to the Head Desk to explain myself. I resigned shortly after.

But the ones who implement policies like this are always somehow excempt from them.

[mavhc]

Mobotix have some pretty cool integrated analytics, that can create alerts based on students movements/actions - for example a student walking up to a fire alarm and suddenly turning and running - large crowds building quickly etc - people in forbidden areas in certain times of day - so we're already seeing use cases of this in schools and colleges.

 

More info here: https://www.mobotix.com/en/products/software/camera-integrated-video-analysis

 

Has anyone used it though, did it work?

 

Pretty simple compared to what's possible. Record video, learn typical behaviour, flag atypical, human review, label, repeat. Just needs a few of those google TPUs https://coral.withgoogle.com/products/

[crc-ict]

I remember there was this new school filtering product that analysed each users screens in realtime, and if it detected an unusual amount of skintoned pixels (with darker circles being nipples) it would take a screenshot and flag it up as potential pornography. But any news on software like this seems to have died a death; probably it is actually much harder to get stuff like this right.

 

We had this product in my old school. It was hideously unreliable, generating lots of false positives and often missing blatant example of what it should have captured. Though granted this was at least 6 years ago. Can't say I've heard anything about the product since though.

[PotNoodleTech]

We had this product in my old school. It was hideously unreliable, generating lots of false positives and often missing blatant example of what it should have captured. Though granted this was at least 6 years ago. Can't say I've heard anything about the product since though.

 

Securus?

[FishCustard]

yeah, get them used to living under the All Seeing AI. I remember there was this new school filtering product that analysed each users screens in realtime, and if it detected an unusual amount of skintoned pixels (with darker circles being nipples) it would take a screenshot and flag it up as potential pornography. But any news on software like this seems to have died a death; probably it is actually much harder to get stuff like this right.

 

 

If we had this when I was in school I know I'd have spent hours finding innocent images that'd trip the filter to annoy people. The annoying hacker instinct of "beat the system" was implanted at birth I think...

[Garacesh]

I don't think we'll ever see (or need) full blown AI, but there's certainly some merit to pattern-based AI. For example, as mentioned before, if there's movement in an area during X timeframe. We have a stairwell that leads straight outside that pupils aren't supposed to use during school hours, but is there for fire evac. Though the system is 'good enough' because the fire door at the bottom generates an email alert if the door is opened.

[mavhc]

There's only pattern based AI. Just needs terabytes of data to analyse. These 99.9% of cases are normal, these 0.01% of cases are unusual, tell me when unusual things happen. Then classify the unusual things into allowed and disallowed.

[crc-ict]

Securus?

 

Yes, that was the one.

 

I must stress though it was a long time ago and I can't comment about the reliability of the product now.

[PotNoodleTech]

Yes, that was the one.

 

I must stress though it was a long time ago and I can't comment about the reliability of the product now.

 

Well - it was HIDEOUSLY expensive so only the richest schools would have bought into it. Don't her much about it now so I guess they priced themselves out of the education market?