robjduk Posted May 14, 2018 Posted May 14, 2018 I'm branching out to site security a little and could do with recommendations for number plate recognition systems which would control entry to the site. Looking for someone who can install these things in the South-East if anyone can recommend? Thanks all
TechMonkey Posted May 14, 2018 Posted May 14, 2018 I'll try and dig out the company we spoke to recently. We have spoken to Net-Ctrl in the past. Have to say everyone we have spoken to have said that it is lots of money for not a lot of reward. We were looking at it for entry control and our thoughts were: Who will keep the number plate list up to date - Not it and not having the grief when a member of staff forgets to tell us of their new flashy car and gets in a huff they couldn't get in. What happens if it goes wrong/there is a failure - You'd have to have a backup system (buzzer, remote, etc) at which point why use the Number plate recognition? What conditions will it have to work in? - Heard some reports that in inclement weather it was temperamental so would have to resort to the point above. Will we need to match driver to number plate? - This means 2 different cameras, focusing on 2 different things. Not an issue but makes the cost greater. £15k was being banded around just for the recognition portion. It may well have come down but no body seemed inclined to push us to get it.
MYK-IT Posted May 14, 2018 Posted May 14, 2018 We have an electronic pedestrian / vehicle gate entry system (Paxton ID, NET2) that is activated by personal (RFID) ID Cards ... same cards are used for our Managed Print Solution too. Net2 software has database of all users / ID cards with access times/zones set. Once user has left, card is deactivated.
fiza Posted May 14, 2018 Posted May 14, 2018 We have the net2 system but the problem with these things is the gate takes so long to open and close that it defeats the purpose as 3 cars can get through in the time the gate decides to close again.
ColinP Posted June 29, 2018 Posted June 29, 2018 We installed an anpr camera direct to a paxton net2 cost about £1500 all in
k-strider Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 Hi Colinp. Link to camera you used I’d love to put an anpr camera on our net2 down the bottom of the drive
MatthewL Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 Paxton Net2 and Hikvision systems integrate quite nicely from what I have ready and would be my choice. Other option is you can get a module for Net2, user rings it and it opens gate, mobile number calling from is stored in Net2.
ColinP Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 The camera is Hikvision DS-2CD4A26FWD-IZS/P-WG Wiegand Camera you will need to update the firmware on the camera from paxton 1
psumner1992 Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 The camera is Hikvision DS-2CD4A26FWD-IZS/P-WG Wiegand Camera you will need to update the firmware on the camera from paxton I think we have the same version slightly different model number, DS-2CD4A26FWD-IZSWG/P. Was it easy enough getting the firmware from Paxton as I’ve just emailed them as our camera is reading the reg plates but just not sending anything to Net2 so think I need this firmware to choose Paxton as the the Wiegand type? Any other setup tips?
mavhc Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr Pipe the output to a python program to read a list of number plates, if recognised send api request to net2 to open gate. Wonder if they detect if the number plate is attached to a car...
robk Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr Pipe the output to a python program to read a list of number plates, if recognised send api request to net2 to open gate. Wonder if they detect if the number plate is attached to a car...[/quote @mavhc have you actually used net2? No need to create an additional service. Just needs the camera linking to net2. My suggestion would be contact Paxton support, they are usually excellent. The camera should link into a net 2 acu from memory, and the car reg then goes as a token no for each person, car approaches gate and gate opens.. No need for an open source solution here.
psumner1992 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr Pipe the output to a python program to read a list of number plates, if recognised send api request to net2 to open gate. Wonder if they detect if the number plate is attached to a car...[/quote @mavhc have you actually used net2? No need to create an additional service. Just needs the camera linking to net2. My suggestion would be contact Paxton support, they are usually excellent. The camera should link into a net 2 acu from memory, and the car reg then goes as a token no for each person, car approaches gate and gate opens.. No need for an open source solution here. Thanks, yep it’s wired into the ACU and the reg numbers have all been added as tokens with the camera also visible in Net2, think it’s just the firmware needed for the camera to send the Paxton formatted data as I couldn’t find any other steps I’ve missed.
mavhc Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 have you actually used net2? No need to create an additional service. Just needs the camera linking to net2. My suggestion would be contact Paxton support, they are usually excellent. The camera should link into a net 2 acu from memory, and the car reg then goes as a token no for each person, car approaches gate and gate opens.. No need for an open source solution here. If the firmware upgrade is free, fair enough, but if you already have another camera there no need to switch it.
psumner1992 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 If the firmware upgrade is free, fair enough, but if you already have another camera there no need to switch it. Firmware update arrived this morning and worked as planned, Paxton were very quick and helpful. 1
GrumbleDook Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 I'm presuming that transfer of data between all systems is encrypted?
mavhc Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 About as encrypted as the video stream would be, it's on a LAN so does it matter?
paulkerton Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Wonder if they detect if the number plate is attached to a car... You'd do that with an induction loop in the ground, wouldn't you? If detected number plate and induction loop is triggered then you'd pass it to net2.
mavhc Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Seems simpler to just train the AI to only recognise number plates when attached to cars, that would be your default case anyway. Easier than digging up the road, and more scalable.
GrumbleDook Posted March 7, 2020 Posted March 7, 2020 About as encrypted as the video stream would be, it's on a LAN so does it matter? How protected is your LAN?
GrumbleDook Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 It's got mac address spoofing checks So you would say that the ability of a device being connected to your network (a personal device or a school owned device) that could run software that can scan and monitor IP traffic for IP cameras is not possible?
mavhc Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 How would it monitor the traffic?, it's a switched network.
GrumbleDook Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 How would it monitor the traffic?, it's a switched network. Do you protect against sniffing tools of various means? No MITM possibilities? Passive network taps? IP Cameras segregated via VLANs? Have tested against MAC flooding?
mavhc Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Do you protect against sniffing tools of various means? No MITM possibilities? Passive network taps? IP Cameras segregated via VLANs? Have tested against MAC flooding? Given IP cameras probably couldn't check a certificate properly if they were threatened with a large SD card, because no one makes open source versions, totally a load of MITM possibilities. Probably easier to install your own cameras than tap into a network, but if Robert DeNiro is in the pipes, good on him. VLANs make the most sense, all ports are set to not allow trunks on them, and set by default to not vlan 1. Port security is enabled to avoid mac flooding/hijacking Would you trust any encryption on an ip camera? Probably copy and pasted from some example code you were never supposed to use in production.
GrumbleDook Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Given IP cameras probably couldn't check a certificate properly if they were threatened with a large SD card, because no one makes open source versions, totally a load of MITM possibilities. Probably easier to install your own cameras than tap into a network, but if Robert DeNiro is in the pipes, good on him. VLANs make the most sense, all ports are set to not allow trunks on them, and set by default to not vlan 1. Port security is enabled to avoid mac flooding/hijacking Would you trust any encryption on an ip camera? Probably copy and pasted from some example code you were never supposed to use in production. ok, so some good mitigation but still a lot of possibilities for things to go wrong. When doing your risk assessment on this, then you have to consider what can go wrong. You need to be able to clearly show the decision making process and who owns the relevant risks.
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