IPad one 2 one and ALL staff

[2ilent8cho]

A few people who have tried to use intune say to run a mile from it

[Brimstone]

I will get my MDM review sorted once I've got access to JAMF, they're being a nightmare ATM as they want to charge £700 to set up the profiles and stuff which we can do ourselves. As for Intune, nobody we have visited has looked at it, we did have a trial to test with Windows 10S and it looked from an iOS point of view to be massively limited, perhaps not surprisingly, personally I wouldn't touch InTune for iOS management for now, it's that limited and as for Zero Day (lastest iOS) support, I suspect it'll never have that.

£700 is a lot if all that's being done is a Jamf Remote JumpStart for iOS only.....?

[Rob_D]

A few people who have tried to use intune say to run a mile from it

 

We use Intune here and it's all working fine so far. Touch wood...

[mthomas08]

Hi all,

 

I’ve been looking for something somewhere that has a documented/blogged approach to that title, basically we’ve been asked to work towards everybody (that’s 1000 staff and 5000 students!) using iPads for EVERYTHING within three years... A tall (and possibly impossible) order but one that could prove to be either revolutionary or disastrous.

 

Anyway, in the interests of saving people the time and effort of researching and deciding it’s not possible, I thought I would blog my way through it so you can understand at all the mistakes and not repeat them!

 

We started this in May so there’s a bit of a ‘blog dump’ going on at the moment, we’re at the point of having just ordered 150 trial units (yes apple would not provide them!) and I’m not up to that point on the blog ATM.

 

https://middletonhome.wordpress.com/

 

Looking through the blog... the list of problems is exactly how I tackled our ICT Scheme. No matter how big or small it went on a list. Even if I knew it would never be fixed, it would still end up on 'the list'. Going to type up some stuff as I go through it!

 

Few questions:

1. Have you got an almost unlimited pocket to get this working no matter what? I don't mean throw £10,000 at something for the sake of it

2. Why did the decision rest on your shoulders? Shouldn't the priority be T&L. This isn't a grumbly question but it was the biggest mistake we made here. The priority wasn't T&L impact but more cost cutting towards having IT Suites and more 'how we look' to the outside world.

3. Guessing they will be repaired internally - have you considered insurance/warranty? Also make sure you get tough cases for users - this really does cut down a huge amount of damages....

 

Don't blame you for not being a google/android fan but I would have still got in touch. Also M$ trying to demo SharePoint..... totally feel for you on that one. It's like contacting a supplier for a product and they try to sell you something else.

 

Schools not being negative when visited... sorry we did this. It's the political face and I've sometimes I got a little mad over it. We owe it to other schools to be honest and I refused to be 100% nice about it and give out no negativity. Even to parents I would be honest about the problems we have faced on our schemes. And no they are not miracle devices. It's one of the many reasons why schools went down more and more to devices because they visit a school and see no negativity... If a classroom full of PCs can have negativity - devices certainly can.

 

May 2017 - release Sep 2017. Yes - welcome to my horrid world. This was some more of the big mistakes we made. I pushed for decisions to be made just before or right after Christmas. As for you - going full iPads (we was only a single year of 250).. Oh I would demand we start 6 months earlier - IF everything was in place.

 

Interesting they say you 'almost' can go completely iPad... we was supposed to go complete devices but it never happened. There was too many reasons why....

 

Also who is paying for all this??????

Edited December 8, 2017 by mthomas08

[oapscarface]

£700 is a lot if all that's being done is a Jamf Remote JumpStart for iOS only.....?

Absolutely it is and yes it's just the JumpStart part.

[oapscarface]

Looking through the blog... the list of problems is exactly how I tackled our ICT Scheme. No matter how big or small it went on a list. Even if I knew it would never be fixed, it would still end up on 'the list'. Going to type up some stuff as I go through it!

 

That's been my approach, every time somebody has asked a question I've just put it down, there's many more relating to parents and finance etc that I've not put up there.

Few questions:

 

1. Have you got an almost unlimited pocket to get this working no matter what? I don't mean throw £10,000 at something for the sake of it

 

From a device PoV I would sort of say yes, we also have a rather large put for infrastructure, wireless and wired in most schools is being ripped out and replaced with Cisco Meraki.

2. Why did the decision rest on your shoulders? Shouldn't the priority be T&L. This isn't a grumbly question but it was the biggest mistake we made here. The priority wasn't T&L impact but more cost cutting towards having IT Suites and more 'how we look' to the outside world.

 

I guess they wanted my input on the hardware side, as in answering some of those questions I put down, there has been T&L input in that they prescribed the need for keyboards. The Pilot, due to start at the end of Jan, should hopefully answer any T&L questions that might occur, or at least that's the aim.

 

3. Guessing they will be repaired internally - have you considered insurance/warranty? Also make sure you get tough cases for users - this really does cut down a huge amount of damages....

Absolutely, top of my wish list was insurance and warranty (so that option has been ticked) and also a tough case with a keyboard, that's all included in the price yeah. An absolute must!

Don't blame you for not being a google/android fan but I would have still got in touch. Also M$ trying to demo SharePoint..... totally feel for you on that one. It's like contacting a supplier for a product and they try to sell you something else.

 

We'll see how the pilot goes, TBH the CEO was pretty much Apple from day one and it would need to have been something absolutely amazing for him to shift from that direction.

Schools not being negative when visited... sorry we did this. It's the political face and I've sometimes I got a little mad over it. We owe it to other schools to be honest and I refused to be 100% nice about it and give out no negativity. Even to parents I would be honest about the problems we have faced on our schemes. And no they are not miracle devices. It's one of the many reasons why schools went down more and more to devices because they visit a school and see no negativity... If a classroom full of PCs can have negativity - devices certainly can.

I do understand that, yeah, it's a huge investment for the school and to present it as a bad idea would be, well, egg on face time.

 

Interesting they say you 'almost' can go completely iPad... we was supposed to go complete devices but it never happened. There was too many reasons why....

 

Support staff are not being included in this so they'll stay as is, there is an assumption that some PCs, in staff rooms, classrooms etc will remain for access to things staff can't do but as their primary device the iPad Pro 12.9" will have to be it, if not simply because of cost, which leads me to:

Also who is paying for all this??????

I don't think I've put trust name down anywhere yet but in case I have I'll answer that question when 'parents' have been spoken to.