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Arthur

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As for release date who knows, I'd expect them to wait until the top end stuff is well out first, perhaps after the 3950X in September?

The APUs will be available from 7th July too.

Arthur

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The B550 boards won't though afaik?

Probably not, although I guess those who can't wait for the B550 boards could make do with a B450 as long as the relevant BIOS update has been installed. :)

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Dos_Box

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I have been waiting too for all the reviews etc. but I suspect the actual timings will done from US time zones, most likely Pacific time, so it would be from 4pm onwards I would guess.
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Now available to pre-order at the following resellers... :D

 

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Dos_Box

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I do note that it appears that only the 3700X and 3900X have been released to reviewers.

We shall have to wait a little longer for the other chips in the range to hit the review sites.

Although it does appear that AMD is prodding buttock in a major way, it will be interesting to see if Intel is forced to drop their prices in response.

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Arthur

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it will be interesting to see if Intel is forced to drop their prices in response.

A price cut has been rumoured. There's a possibility it might only apply to OEMs however.

 

https://pcper.com/2019/06/intel-price-cut-rumor

 

With Intel’s 10th Gen desktop parts not expected to ship until next year at the earliest, that leaves the company in a precarious position as AMD surges forward to its simultaneous Ryzen 3000 and Radeon RX 5000 launches on July 7th.

 

Unable to respond quickly in terms of new hardware, one option for Intel is to lower prices on its mainstream desktop processors, and a report from DIgiTimes this morning suggests that the company may do just that.

 

Citing sources at Intel’s motherboard manufacturing partners, DigiTimes claims that Intel plans to cut prices on its 8th and 9th Gen desktop processors by up to 15 percent. Specific details regarding potential price cuts on each processor SKU were not available, but sources expect cuts of 10 percent at a minimum with some of the more competitive SKUs reaching 15 percent. If true, that could represent a $75 cut on the $500 i9-9900K.

 

It’s also not clear if the price cuts are only intended for system builders and integrators, or if they’ll find their way to retail shelves. Further, if the cuts are for OEMs and retail suppliers only, it’s unknown how much of those savings will make their way to consumers directly.

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I do note that it appears that only the 3700X and 3900X have been released to reviewers.

We shall have to wait a little longer for the other chips in the range to hit the review sites.

Although it does appear that AMD is prodding buttock in a major way, it will be interesting to see if Intel is forced to drop their prices in response.

or at least do some qa so their chips dont appear to have more security holes than swiss cheese requiring patches that slow pc down. That alone is enough to prob me towards amd if/when i get a new pc personally

Dos_Box

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or at least do some qa so their chips dont appear to have more security holes than swiss cheese requiring patches that slow pc down. That alone is enough to prob me towards amd if/when i get a new pc personally

 

Indeed. Whilst currently they have a reputation for selling buggy chips the last thing they need is to be selling overpriced buggy chips, which is exactly how they may come to be seen with AMD's latest releases.

I do note with interest that pretty much all the reviews I have seen have not exactly slated Intel (especially the ones who factor in value for money) but most have said they 'highly recommend' (or words to that effect) the latest Ryzens whilst still leaving Intel as a consideration. Perhaps they don't want to upset them or are being fair, but with Intel not having a real answer to Ryzen 3000 until next year, and all the while AMD developing further, then they really must look for something very special to pull out of the bag.

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Indeed. Whilst currently they have a reputation for selling buggy chips the last thing they need is to be selling overpriced buggy chips, which is exactly how they may come to be seen with AMD's latest releases.

I do note with interest that pretty much all the reviews I have seen have not exactly slated Intel (especially the ones who factor in value for money) but most have said they 'highly recommend' (or words to that effect) the latest Ryzens whilst still leaving Intel as a consideration. Perhaps they don't want to upset them or are being fair, but with Intel not having a real answer to Ryzen 3000 until next year, and all the while AMD developing further, then they really must look for something very special to pull out of the bag.

 

im not sure for a lot of applications intel have an answer next year as being a 7nm chip (with some 10nm bits) id assume that it has a lower tdp and power requirement than a 14/10 nm intel chip so in laptops if its fast enough its almost a no brainer to get more battery life and less cooling

Arthur

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Intel’s 10th Gen ‘Comet Lake’ Desktop CPU Lineup Allegedly Leaks Out – Core i9-10900KF Flagship With 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 5.2 GHz Boost at $499 US, 8 Cores Start at $339 US, 6 Cores at $179 US

 

The Intel Core i9-10900KF is rumored to be the flagship SKU of the lineup, featuring 10 cores and 20 threads. Based on the price, it will be competing against the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X which offers a total of 12 cores and 24 threads. The chip is clocked at 3.4 GHz base and 5.2 GHz single core boost clock. The chip features 20 MB of cache, a 105W TDP and has a pricing of $499 US. Intel still won’t be matching AMD’s higher core count on the mainstream platform but looking at the recent AMD Ryzen 3000 reviews, we can note that Intel still has a leading position when it comes to single-core and gaming workloads so the 10 core is expected to take the lead further.

 

The other chips to talk about are the top tier SKUs of each Core segment. For Core i7, we have the Core i7-10700K, an 8 core and 16 thread part which features clock speeds of 3.6 GHz base and 5.1 GHz boost. The processor offers 16 MB of cache and has a TDP of 95W. Since the Core i7-10700K doesn’t have the “F” suffix with it, it does come with the Intel UHD 730 iGPU and has a pricing of 389 USD. The chip should be positioned against the AMD Ryzen 7 3800X which is also an 8 core & 16 thread part.

 

The Core i5-10600K is a 6 core and 12 thread part which has a base clock of 3.7 GHz base and 4.9 GHz boost. The chip has 12 MB of cache and has a TDP of 95W. This chip has a pricing of $229 US which positions it against the Ryzen 5 3600X, a $249 US chip. There’s also the Core i5-10400 which is a 6 core and 12 thread part with frequencies of 3.0 GHz base and 4.2 GHz boost with a TDP of 65 Watts and a price of $179 US which is positioned well below the $199 US Ryzen 5 3600. Lastly, we have the Core i3-10350K which is a 4 core and 8 thread part that features a base clock of 4.1 GHz and a boost clock of 4.8 GHz. This chip has 9 MB of cache and a TDP of 91W. The pricing is said to be $179 US while offering better specs than the Core i7-7700K which retail over $350 US.

 

^ I wonder if this leak was intentional? :)

Dos_Box

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If it is genuine, then I think we can assume it was. Intel needed a response to AMD's launch. The problem they have is that...

 

a. AMD's stuff is available now and...

b. Will the new Intel CPU's end up needing performance affecting patches too?

 

Even if they come out with chips that now mitigate spectre et-al, will users be willing to part with cash until the new line-up has been proven to be 'safe'?

A new, cheaper, better performing product line may be just what they need to square up to AMD, but they still have big trust/reliability issues to overcome.

HTCPCP

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If it is genuine, then I think we can assume it was. Intel needed a response to AMD's launch. The problem they have is that...

 

a. AMD's stuff is available now and...

b. Will the new Intel CPU's end up needing performance affecting patches too?

 

Even if they come out with chips that now mitigate spectre et-al, will users be willing to part with cash until the new line-up has been proven to be 'safe'?

A new, cheaper, better performing product line may be just what they need to square up to AMD, but they still have big trust/reliability issues to overcome.

How many rehashes of the current processors is it now? 4 or 5?

Arthur

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TL;DR: The Prime X570-P, TUF Gaming X570-PLUS Wi-Fi, ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi (and potentially Pro WS X570-ACE) are good choices if looking at Asus motherboards.

 

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Dos_Box

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Looks like the delayed 39xxX chips are very close to release now - https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3970x-3960x-hedt-cpus-listed-online/

No news on the 3950X as far as I can see after a quick read-through, and those prices are, I suspect, a bit beyond a lot of gamers and even enthusiasts budgets. They will be great for the media industry though providing the benchmarks are positive.

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HTCPCP

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I saw that, they do run the risk of potential buyers simply holding back until the new chips launch and these not doing terribly well at all regardless of performance.

AMD have had a bit of a track record of announcing the new chips a fair amount of time before them actually being released on sale. AMD announced 'Matisse' (Ryzen 3000 series processors) at CES in January 2019, and the first chips* went on sale in July, and some of them haven't officially gone on sale yet. I would expect there to be a similar approach next year. I wouldn't expect to see any new desktop 5, 7 or 9 series processors until May at the earliest.

 

 

 

*Yes, I know technically the mobile chips went on sale in January, but that is kind of a different kettle of fish at the moment, as the uptake has been very limited.

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