Random thought: Why are pipes always wrong on every UK keyboard?

[Garacesh]

I don't know if this applies to any other layout or language, but whilst randomly dwelling on the differences between UK/US layouts (and layouts such as AZERTY and DVORAK) it's struck me that with every keyboard I've ever used - or at least paid attention to - the key left of 1/! shows `, ¬ and |, and the key left of Z shows \ and ¦. However, the | and ¦ are always the wrong way around. What gives, and why has this never been fixed?

[Joanne]

They are correct on mine. left of z is \| and I'll be damned if I can get the two lined thing... ¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦ AWWW YIS. Dat Alt Gr thooooo.

[DJ-1701]

The keyboard I am using at work has `, ¬ and ¦ for the top left and \ | for the bottom. Keyboard Logitech K120.

 

Anyway, back in the day I do remember the symbol in DOS being ¦ for pipe, so it may be a throw back.

[bald_pig]

Correct here as well

[Garacesh]

The keyboard I am using at work has `, ¬ and ¦ for the top left and \ | for the bottom. Keyboard Logitech K120.

That's what mine has, too (typing-wise) . But if I press Shift+[LeftOfZ] I get |, where the key displays ¦

Edited September 1, 2016 by Garacesh

[elsiegee40]

Lenovo keyboard labelled like Joanne's - correctly

 

I dug out the spare keyboard I have - an HP - and that's wrong though.

[Joanne]

My kerberd is a Logitech.

 

Lenovo laptop next to me is correct. Toshiba laptop however, is WRONG!

[LiamHaith]

Grave Key - ¦

Left of Z key - |

 

They are also labelled accordingly.

[Duranis]

On the keyboard and laptop I have in front of me they are labelled wrong. In a previous life I used to design keyboard layouts as part of my job which is slightly more interesting and complicated than it might initially sound.

 

If a key isn't matching either the person who designed the silkscreen for printing on the keys messed up, the person coding the scancodes for the key presses messed up or the software is interpreting the scancodes in a non-standard way. Most of the time it's just the printing on the keys are wrong because it was done by someone who didn't understand the language and | and ¦ are so rarely used by anyone that they are easy to slip through testing. Once a keyboard layout has been approved once it tends to just get reused again and again over different products.

[CAM]

Left of Z = |

Grave = ¦

 

Both labelled the other way round!

 

Except....

 

In Powershell they both display ¦ but if I use left of Z I get an error about empty pipe elements not allowed, whilst the grave key tells me it isn't recognised.

 

And on that note, which is grave? IS it ¬ and the ` is backtick?

[Duranis]

`is a grave or grave accent. ¬ is a NOT symbol used for some maths/logic stuff.

[Garacesh]

I've always referred to ` as backtick however it gets its name from "Grave accent" (À, à, Ầ, ầ, Ằ, ằ, È, è, Ề, ề, Ḕ, ḕ, Ì, ì, Ǹ, ǹ, Ò, ò, Ồ, ồ, Ṑ, ṑ, Ù, ù, Ǜ, ǜ, Ừ, ừ, Ẁ, ẁ, Ỳ and ỳ)

[CAM]

`is a grave or grave accent. ¬ is a NOT symbol used for some maths/logic stuff.

 

IF ( intInput ¬ 1 )

THEN echo "That's no one in this part of town!"

ELSE echo "Nice one!"

END IF

 

?

[mikeprice]

OK - had to try it - works fine on this keyboard (logitech)

 

REALLY pleased that I have now found how to get the ¦ symbol

 

now - how can I use it???

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

and the €!!!!!!

[Garacesh]

now - how can I use it???

Eyebrows ¦:¬)

[sonofsanta]

Never really thought about it, cos I never use the ¦, but it's wrong on my fancy pants Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard.

[Andrew_C]

Wish I had a €!!

 

tHE REST OF THIS dELL IS CORRECT THOUGH.

 

Apart from the Caps lock...

[elsiegee40]

IF ( intInput ¬ 1 )

THEN echo "That's no one in this part of town!"

ELSE echo "Nice one!"

END IF

 

?

 

As a PL/1 programmer back in the days of steam power (well IBM mainframe anyway ), I used ¬ for not but always with = < or >

 

IF variable1 ¬= variable2

THEN...

 

The unbroken pipe was used for logical OR

 

Never used the broken pipe on anything ever!

[DJ-1701]

Wish I had a €!!

 

Alt Gr + 4

[Andrew_C]

€€€€€

 

Why didn't I see that before? I did look, and not a "Bloke Look" either.

[DJ-1701]

€€€€€

 

Why didn't I see that before? I did look, and not a "Bloke Look" either.

 

Obviously working too hard!

[mikeprice]

How many of us have now tried out the whole keyboard with the alt gr key????

[sted]

what bugs me more is that the right windows key, secondary windows key (right mouse button alternative) and pause appear to be dying out on keyboards (at least on laptops)

[LeMarchand]

what bugs me more is that the right windows key, secondary windows key (right mouse button alternative) and pause appear to be dying out on keyboards (at least on laptops)

 

I use the last 2 a fair bit - especially the "right click" one. Blummin' annoying.

 

OT: out of the 3 keyboards and 3 laptops I have in arm's reach 2 of the boards are correct (1 Dell and 1 Kensington) and the rest aren't.

[Garacesh]

OT: out of the 3 keyboards and 3 laptops I have in arm's reach 2 of the boards are correct (1 Dell and 1 Kensington) and the rest aren't.

My Microsoft keyboard is wrong*, the HP and Lenovo laptops to my right are correct*, and iirc my Blackwidow Chroma at home is incorrect*.

 

* Wrong/right as in the keys do/do not display what is typed

 

Edit: I tell a lie. The HP laptop has unbroken pipes on both keys, and no broken pipe anywhere.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Garacesh