Gatt Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 came into this morning and found this in my email.. (names removed to protect the not so innocent As you maybe aware, as part of the Building Schools for the Future programme, we are currently seeking partners to deliver a wide range of services to schools through a Local Education Partnership (LEP), including an ICT Managed Service, a Learning Platform and a Transforming Education Network. The LEP will play an important role in delivering the transformational agenda to learners and educators within the City Of Salford through ICT. You are hereby invited to attend a consultation meeting with myself and my colleagues <> (BSF Lead ICT and Transformation) and <> (Principal HR Advisor) on Monday 25th February 2008 at <> , whereby the full details, including staffing implications of the services to be delivered by the LEP, and particularly the ICT Managed Service, will be explained. I would appreciate it if you could email <> (at <>) to acknowledge receipt of this invitation and confirm your attendance. Now, this was sent to me personally, so either someone has emailled all the IT Techs individually, odd whent here is a distribution list available, OR.. I was only sent this.. trying to find out if any other NM or tech has got this email... Anyone got any thoughts as to what I might expect?
Butuz Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 Anyone got any thoughts as to what I might expect? Trouble??? Sorry - no help but couldn't resist!
Gatt Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 Yep, expecting that very special kind of trouble that comes glazed with a sugar coating.. From what I've heard about BSF.. I think i'll be looking for a new job shortly..
Grommit Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 It'll happen like this..... you'll all be sitting down and then your arse will fall out as they say all ICT will be taken over and controlled by a Managed Service Company and that the staff will be TUPED as Toner Drones... Then basically you will be the person that is expected to happily sell your job down the river by helping and advising the consultants to take over your job and install tonnes of flashy new kit which you will not be in charge of..
CyberNerd Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 As it's going out to tender and they are seeking partners, they're probably going to be after information from you. I suspect that BSF 'consultants' will have already presented an overview of the project, a before and after technical and staffing structure. The outline proposal will have been approved by cabinet (councillors). You should be able to get the council minutes of this meeting. Probably they will be after some of the finer details from you. It may be worth getting hold of the proposal that the consultants put forward to cabinet, and then rubbish the figures (probably they won't care if its overcosted because its central govt money anyway) Get as many people as you can to go to this meeting, the bigger the fuss the more they will pay attention to detail. Get reassurance (in writing) about TUPE protection, planned staff reductions/downgrading. Ask if it'll be competitive interview etc. Ask for the staffing structure after its been centralised. Make sure the union attends, and get the union to do a press release about the outcome. Minute the meeting.
Gatt Posted February 9, 2008 Author Posted February 9, 2008 time to dig out my login details for jobsite me thinks....
Grommit Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 time to dig out my login details for jobsite me thinks.... "Sad but True" There is one thing that I would like to know tho.... as Network Manages we get £27k - £35k + in wages..... Will we be Tuped at the same rate ?
psydii Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Provided they don't use the ETO defence to reduce staff numbers, YES. They can't do it any other way. Of course if you quit and go and get another job in protest, they'll never have that problem.
Gatt Posted February 13, 2008 Author Posted February 13, 2008 "Sad but True" There is one thing that I would like to know tho.... as Network Manages we get £27k - £35k + in wages..... Will we be Tuped at the same rate ? I don't even get £27k..
Butuz Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 I think you'll find most of us NM's don't get 27k Butuz
Geoff Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 In Industry you do, and that's where you'll be when your TUPED...
Grommit Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 I think you'll find most of us NM's don't get 27k Butuz I think you'll find that down South most of us do... we also have to pay £200k for a 2 bedroom flat
Gatt Posted February 26, 2008 Author Posted February 26, 2008 Ok had our meeting yesterday.. The final 2 ICT bidders were confirmed as Catalyst Lend Lease – Bovis Lend Lease, Capita Symonds, Redstone Communications Transformational Learning Partnerships – Laing O’Rourke, Hochtief, RM Education TUPE was discussed and made to sound like it would be a good thing for us.. that the only change is that we work for a new employer There were that many questions that I can't remember just yet what was asked and what was said .. hopefully some minutes will come our way. Though sure someone else on here will remember better than I did..
Grommit Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Ok had our meeting yesterday.. The final 2 ICT bidders were confirmed as Catalyst Lend Lease – Bovis Lend Lease, Capita Symonds, Redstone Communications Transformational Learning Partnerships – Laing O’Rourke, Hochtief, RM Education TUPE was discussed and made to sound like it would be a good thing for us.. that the only change is that we work for a new employer There were that many questions that I can't remember just yet what was asked and what was said .. hopefully some minutes will come our way. Though sure someone else on here will remember better than I did.. Network Managers ?
Gatt Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 Nothing said - just that we'd be "protected under TUPE reg's"
Grommit Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Nothing said - just that we'd be "protected under TUPE reg's" So the Network Manager will be TUPED with the same responsibilities and high pay rate ?.. cool :-)
Gatt Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 That was my view on it.. the only clause, which I'm gonig to check is that, under TUPE, they must honour all the terms of your contract.. Someone raised the interesting Question about location (same school or anywhere within LEA/LEP) Answer: if your contracts states you are based at <> then you can't be relocated to a new school as that would break the TUPE reg's.. however if your contract doesn't state that then you could end up anywhere with the LEA/LEP.. I'd check your contracts folks...
Deaks Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Don't forget the Tupe protection is only good for two years.
Gatt Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 Not from what we were told - new employer cannot ake any changes to your existing contract if its "deemed to be transfer related" probably a load of BS but worth checking the TUPE reg's (2006)
broc Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 Quite often, the new employer will do their utmost to get you off your old 'protected' TUPE contract. Typically they will offer regrading, but on their contract T&Cs not your old. This will generally move you out of protection after which you are at their mercy
Gatt Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 yeah thats about the only way, other than ETO, that they can get around TUPE, it would need to be a damned good contract though for me to change.. We were also told that if you are in a LGPS, then you remain in that once TUPE'd across
beeswax Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 If by LGPS you mean a pension, then that doesn't transfer. It becomes frozen at the point of Tupe-ing, and you begin a new one.
Deaks Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 File Attached: tupelaw.pdf - right-click and save-astupelaw.pdf
russdev Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 But they must match your current pension so in effect it stays same in fact some bsf places the pension stayed at lea for ease. Russ
Gatt Posted February 27, 2008 Author Posted February 27, 2008 @russdev - think thats what Salford are doing..
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