win Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 New laws are coming into force this September, how do you monitor BYODs to ensure they are not using your wireless to access extremism, being groomed etc.
CyberNerd Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 New laws are coming into force this September, how do you monitor BYODs to ensure they are not using your wireless to access extremism, being groomed etc. Smoothwall.
aleach2 Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) New laws are coming into force this September, how do you monitor BYODs to ensure they are not using your wireless to access extremism, being groomed etc. Ditto. Smoothwall. It allows you to block access to this type of content but now it allows you to setup reports which notify defined users if students try and access certain types of content. See the link below: http://smoothwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Ofsted-Online-Safety-Guidelines.pdf Edited June 10, 2016 by aleach2
timbo343 Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 New laws are coming into force this September, how do you monitor BYODs to ensure they are not using your wireless to access extremism, being groomed etc. Have you got a source for this? So how do we stop data connections on phones? Have they thought of this one?
CyberNerd Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 Have you got a source for this? So how do we stop data connections on phones? Have they thought of this one? It's called Prevent IT policies The statutory guidance makes clear the need for schools to ensure that children are safe from terrorist and extremist material when accessing the internet in schools. Schools should ensure that suitable filtering is in place. More generally, schools have an important role to play in equipping children and young people to stay safe online, both in school and outside. Internet safety will usually be integral to a school’s ICT curriculum and can also be embedded in PSHE and SRE. General advice and resources for schools on internet safety are available on the UK Safer Internet Centre website. As with other online risks of harm, every teacher needs to be aware of the risks posed by the online activity of extremist and terrorist group https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/protecting-children-from-radicalisation-the-prevent-duty
timbo343 Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 It's called Prevent https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/protecting-children-from-radicalisation-the-prevent-duty I know about prevent
CyberNerd Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 I know about prevent Good. I'm pretty sure that's the only new law that affects ICT with respect to extremism et. al.
elsiegee40 Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) The whole document has been analysed in detail by Kent's @esafety_officer outlining what it means for education settings, for their SLT and for their governors See this: http://www.edugeek.net/forums/e-safety/171051-online-safety-within-keeping-children-safe-education-2016-published-26-5-16-a.html Edited June 10, 2016 by elsiegee40
caffrey Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 But how are you preventing BYOD bypassing filtering ?
elsiegee40 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 But how are you preventing BYOD bypassing filtering ? You can't You can only monitor traffic on your network if the device is the property of others.
FN-GM Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 You can't You can only monitor traffic on your network if the device is the property of others. You can. Transparent proxy with Layer 7 on the firewall to stop VPN's and unauthorised proxies.
caffrey Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Does that help with SSL though, and with the problems that pinned certs bring But I agree that the buck shouldn't stop with the filtering, personally I think BYOD should not be allowed near schools
elsiegee40 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 You can. Transparent proxy with Layer 7 on the firewall to stop VPN's and unauthorised proxies. Not if they choose the device's own 3G/4G signal. Unless they're on the wifi in school then it won't make a blind bit of difference. Proxies not needed
elsiegee40 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 At the end of the day there is only so much we can do under PREVENT. The analysis done by @esafety_officer in the thread I linked to earlier makes that very clear. It is the DSL's job to analyse risk and ensure that students are educated to minimise the risks posed. Filtering forms part of the solution, but it cannot be the whole solution. Banning BYOD solves nothing as every child and staff member will have a device in their pocket or bag anyway. They will use it whether it is connected to the school network or not.
FN-GM Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Not if they choose the device's own 3G/4G signal. Unless they're on the wifi in school then it won't make a blind bit of difference. Proxies not needed That is a different matter. Luckily no mobile phone signal at my schools 1
elsiegee40 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 That is a different matter. Luckily no mobile phone signal at my schools That's not something most schools can fall back on. So it is very relevant
IrritableTech Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Prevent was already in place last year. This is new guidance - and although I'm not sure it goes far enough, it is welcomed. As @elsiegee40 says it's worth remembering that prevent is not all about technology and technology is not the only solution here. Can we disable a pupils mobile phone from accessing radicalization sites over their 3/4G network on school site? No, not with our technology, but if the school has a policy which is known to the pupils that using such networks in school is a breach and will result in sanctions - the school is starting to comply. If the school has well trained staff who monitor the pupils use in the dining hall or play ground as well as the classroom and uphold the policy the school is monitoring and looking for signs. I think prevent actually adds to the argument that getting the pupils on the school wifi is a good thing. You can monitor their activities more easily and can ensure the worst of the internet is blocked. It allows you the opportunity to intervene and educate far sooner. 2
caffrey Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 What is the new guidance ? Oddly enough I've just come off a 20 min phone call with SLT regarding safeguarding
IrritableTech Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/526153/Keeping_children_safe_in_education_guidance_from_5_September_2016.pdf Worth reading @esafety_officer 's breakdown that @elsiegee40 posted near the top of this thread too. The whole document has been analysed in detail by Kent's @esafety_officer outlining what it means for education settings, for their SLT and for their governors See this: http://www.edugeek.net/forums/e-safety/171051-online-safety-within-keeping-children-safe-education-2016-published-26-5-16-a.html Edited June 13, 2016 by elsiegee40 2
caffrey Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Thanks to @elsiegee40 for the breakdown too Just having a read through this :- http://www.saferinternet.org.uk/ufiles/Appropriate-Filtering-for-Education-Settings-May-2016.pdf and a couple of things stood out Mobile and App content – isn’t limited to filtering web traffic and includes the blocking of inappropriate content via mobile and app technologies and Network level - filtering should be applied at ‘network level’ i.e., not reliant on any software on user devices, which is transparent proxies only
w00dy01 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 We use the reports in our internet filter/firewall (we use Iceni made by a company called opendium), these reports can be automated for a daily report. As this is done by username, it doesn't matter if they use a BYOD or a domain machine. The report will show the activity for any user account that has viewed questionable content. Here is a video showing the report -
enjay Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 This isn't just about Prevent, it is about the new Keeping Children Safe in Education document. I haven't read it in detail yet, but from the summaries I've seen, I believe one of the points of note is we must be able to track an individual's activity, so if you provide BYOD by giving everyone the same WPA key, you've got problems...
w00dy01 Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 This isn't just about Prevent, it is about the new Keeping Children Safe in Education document. I haven't read it in detail yet, but from the summaries I've seen, I believe one of the points of note is we must be able to track an individual's activity, so if you provide BYOD by giving everyone the same WPA key, you've got problems... Use a WPA2 enterprise SSID
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