Windows 10 LTSB - Any reason not to use it?

[Sheridan]

That's always going to be the case. Even when LTSB+1 is released it's going to have bugs which have since been fixed in Redstone+1/+2.

 

I guess thats the point of LTSB! But I think Win10 was rushed out in all forms, so none of them were fully ready for general use.

[ITGURU]

They have?

 

Time and time again they have said LTSB is for highly available devices that don't change such as ATMs, PoS machines etc. They have forced Education on us by taking away Enterprise licensing from EES. They probably haven't given us an Education LTSB edition because it doesn't align with their business, and it keeps their SKU count down.

 

 

If I'm installing a piece of Digital Signage in our school? LTSB. If I'm deploying an IT suite? Education.

 

 

On our Volume Licensing page we are licensed for both education and Enterprise LTSB. education is full of so much rubbish and un-necessary items, i'm thinking odeploying LTSB in the long run if I can ever get the start menu working nicely, but is proving to be difficult.

[gshaw]

Had a call with Microsoft the other day and their Win10 specialist again said not to use LTSB on classroom machines

[timbo343]

Had a call with Microsoft the other day and their Win10 specialist again said not to use LTSB on classroom machines

 

What were the reasons for it?

 

If they removed all the crap off education expect Edge and gave us a similar version to LTSB then maybe we would push out something other than LTSB.

[ITGURU]

What were the reasons for it?

 

If they removed all the crap off education expect Edge and gave us a similar version to LTSB then maybe we would push out something other than LTSB.

 

Likewise - They're probably telling you that because they want us to use the features which most education establishments wouldn't use anyway. Why do you need Cortana on a desktop PC in a classroom?!

[gshaw]

What were the reasons for it?

 

If they removed all the crap off education expect Edge and gave us a similar version to LTSB then maybe we would push out something other than LTSB.

Was along the lines that LTSB is built for critical infrastructure not general purpose machines, also that as new features come along that we may want LTSB deployments will be lagging behind. I guess it's the Office 365 approach with being continuously updated vs. the "old school" thinking of deploying a particular version and sticking to it.

 

I did once again moan about the Candy Crush etc. being in the build and even the MS people themselves can't defend that, decisions made in other parts of the business much higher up.

 

At the moment I'm waiting on 1608 when it gets released, running the junk apps removal scripts then deploying with policies etc. to disable the rest of the unwanted stuff.

 

Oddly when I talk to vendors about projects they all sound either a) surprised or b) dismissive of how bad I think the logon times are with Win10. Perhaps they don't do many new profile logins but since when did a minute-and-a-half become acceptable performance to set up a profile?

Edited July 12, 2016 by gshaw

[timbo343]

Was along the lines that LTSB is built for critical infrastructure not general purpose machines, also that as new features come along that we may want LTSB deployments will be lagging behind. I guess it's the Office 365 approach with being continuously updated vs. the "old school" thinking of deploying a particular version and sticking to it.

 

I did once again moan about the Candy Crush etc. being in the build and even the MS people themselves can't defend that, decisions made in other parts of the business much higher up.

 

At the moment I'm waiting on 1608 when it gets released, running the junk apps removal scripts then deploying with policies etc. to disable the rest of the unwanted stuff.

 

Oddly when I talk to vendors about projects they all sound either a) surprised or b) dismissive of how bad I think the logon times are with Win10. Perhaps they don't do many new profile logins but since when did a minute-and-a-half become acceptable performance to set up a profile?

 

Depends who you talk to. We see what happens on the ground, vendors only see half and their staff possibly only logon once a day so 1m 30secs is seconds out the day.

 

1608 will still have 24 apps which need removing.

[sparkeh]

So what will the advocates of LTSB do if they come across a bug that has been fixed in Redstone but won't be fixed in LTSB for a long time.

As @Arthur says

Even when LTSB+1 is released it's going to have bugs which have since been fixed in Redstone+1/+2.

[DrCheese]

So what will the advocates of LTSB do if they come across a bug that has been fixed in Redstone but won't be fixed in LTSB for a long time.

As @Arthur says

 

That's incorrect, given that the LTSB build+1 will be built off the Redstone codebase

[Arthur]

That's incorrect, given that the LTSB build+1 will be built off the Redstone codebase

Not quite. The first Redstone-based LTSB build (i.e. the forthcoming Anniversary update) will contain bugs that have been fixed in the second Redstone build (Anniversary +1) and whatever comes after it (+2) since the LTSB build won't receive feature updates until the next LTSB build is released in 2-3 years time.

 

The Redstone-based LTSB will be worse in a way because there's going to be a longer period until the next LTSB is going to be released.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Arthur

[ColinP]

Not quite. The first Redstone-based LTSB build (i.e. the forthcoming Anniversary update) will contain bugs that have been fixed in the second Redstone build (Anniversary +1) and whatever comes after it (+2) since the LTSB build won't receive feature updates until the next LTSB build is released in 2-3 years time.

 

The Redstone-based LTSB will be worse in a way because there's going to be a longer period until the next LTSB is going to be released.

 

 

LTSB Gets all security updates, what it dosent get is feature updates, we have had window10 a year now and none of the important bugs have been fixed... i wont be worrieing about falling far behind

[timbo343]

LTSB Gets all security updates, what it dosent get is feature updates, we have had window10 a year now and none of the important bugs have been fixed... i wont be worrieing about falling far behind

 

Which version are you running? LTSB or Education?

[ColinP]

Which version are you running? LTSB or Education?

 

Currently running LTSB as it is the best version currently available, if after the updates a diffrent version works better, i will use that one

[timbo343]

Currently running LTSB as it is the best version currently available, if after the updates a diffrent version works better, i will use that one

 

Cool, that sounds like what we will be doing, pushing out LTSB and if the other versions (education/enterprise) become better then we will move over to them.

[Arthur]

LTSB Gets all security updates, what it doesn't get is feature updates

Indeed. That's why I mentioned feature updates in my post.

 

we have had window10 a year now and none of the important bugs have been fixed.

How is that a good thing?

[Blue_Cookeh]

Interesting.

 

[Arthur]

Interesting.

Another reason not to use LTSB?

[ColinP]

 

 

How is that a good thing?

 

Its not its a very bad thing.. i was pointing out that no matter what version of windows10 you use, the bugs that matter dont get fixed

[JATSO]

Interesting.

 

 

Might be interesting if I could open the page.

 

[timbo343]

We have tested LTSB on our machines here with no problems. OK we arent using the GTX1080.

[DrCheese]

Another reason not to use LTSB?

 

haha, I think we'll live!

[NB9457]

Got to say, I've tried using the education version, but it just wasn't playing nice, having issues with apps, even when installed, the feature updates, are they really needed? I've personally been using Win8 and 10 since Beta and I can honestly say, I've never used the App Store or any of the tiles, if I want that kind of interface or experience, I'll use my tablet.

 

I'm another on the LTSB boat, it's been pretty painless, it's played well with all our hardware and software, plus logon times are quicker too. We don't miss any of the features and the staff haven't requested any, so just security updates on LTSB will see me fine until at least next summer!

[Sam_Brown]

The biggest downside I can see with LTSB isn't about now it's about five years down the road. Where you'll effectively be running an operating system that is missing 5 years worth of new features. Features that may or may not be required for whatever cloud services and technologies MS decide to be running in the future.

 

At that point in time I can see people who are on LTSB starting to make the move to the CB version.

 

Personally I'm hoping that CB be better in five years time and less obnoxious and that it's worth waiting to move.

[FN-GM]

The biggest downside I can see with LTSB isn't about now it's about five years down the road. Where you'll effectively be running an operating system that is missing 5 years worth of new features. Features that may or may not be required for whatever cloud services and technologies MS decide to be running in the future.

 

At that point in time I can see people who are on LTSB starting to make the move to the CB version.

 

Personally I'm hoping that CB be better in five years time and less obnoxious and that it's worth waiting to move.

@Sam_Brown they update the LTSB release every 3 years. So 2 years from now you will have a new release. So no 5 year problem

[Sam_Brown]

@Sam_Brown they update the LTSB release every 3 years. So 2 years from now you will have a new release. So no 5 year problem

 

Ah ha. Well one less doubt for why it's a good idea to use LTSB then!