dastrix Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Does anyone know anything about CCTV, i have read a few things saying that a lot of home installers don't actually know what they are doing and when something does go wrong the police cant use the pictures or video for prosecution. Does anyone have any advise, good brands etc.
Steve21 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I was looking at having it done at my house when I bought it (went for alarm in end) but aye there's rules you need to follow like this example on my quote: NOTE: The Data Protection Act 1998, that came into force 1st March 2000, may apply to your CCTV System. It is important that you comply fully with the provision of the data Protection Act 1998. It may be necessary to register your CCTV System with the Act and to comply with the requirements of the act itself. Further information is available from: Same with Alarms etc got to register them all with police and certain "grades" aren't acceptable as proof/evidence/insurance purposes. I'd always get a quote off a proper security company if I was you Steve
pete Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 ^ That only applies if you're: a) A business b) A home user filming beyond the boundaries of your property (such that your neighbours garden is recorded, for example). Using CCTV on your property CCTV used on your property will be exempt from the Data Protection Act unless you are capturing footage of individuals outside your property. However, regardless of whether your CCTV system is exempt, the ICO recommends that you use CCTV in a responsible way to protect the privacy of others. https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/
Steve21 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 ^ That only applies if you're: a) A business b) A home user filming beyond the boundaries of your property (such that your neighbours garden is recorded, for example). https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/ It would be though, was looking for full outside view, so covering doors/exists/drive/car etc Means it's strays onto their "view/land" so would count. Unless you only want internal stuff it's pretty impossible not to I'd say :s Steve
Chris_ Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I was having trouble with my car being vandalised whilst parked on the street outside my house (no off street parking). The police advised I put a camera up and didn't say that there would be any issues with it being a public road/pavement etc. YMMV
pete Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 It would be though, was looking for full outside view, so covering doors/exists/drive/car etc Means it's strays onto their "view/land" so would count. Unless you only want internal stuff it's pretty impossible not to I'd say :s Steve Depends on your system. Ours has a masking function so we can restrict what the camera records irrespective of position. Anytime one of our cameras would otherwise record over a fence or something, we mask that area off so the camera just records a black object there.
LosOjos Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Will be watching this thread with interest. FIL has asked me to install a camera for him due to vandalism, was looking at an IP camera with R-Pi set up as an NVM, but have concerns about reliability.
Garacesh Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I was having trouble with my car being vandalised whilst parked on the street outside my house (no off street parking). The police advised I put a camera up and didn't say that there would be any issues with it being a public road/pavement etc. YMMV Presumably because in public you have no right to privacy and thus don't need to give permission to be photographed etc. I think the issues arise more from recording someone else's property, because there they do have a reasonable expectation of privacy
dastrix Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) What I found was more to do with the type of lense that needed to be used. Police couldn't use the evidence if the lens didn't meet with these requirements http://www.cctv-information.co.uk/i/Choosing_the_Wrong_Lens Edited June 16, 2015 by dastrix
dastrix Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 Ok so they called me back the cctv-info people and have told me that for evidence to be accepted by the police i would need to spend £400-600 per camera and £500-800 for a box to record too.
Garacesh Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Ok so they called me back the cctv-info people and have told me that for evidence to be accepted by the police i would need to spend £400-600 per camera and £500-800 for a box to record too. Presumably by that you mean "The cheapest camera that meets the requirements costs £400" and not "If it's cheaper than £400 it's not admissible"? Ouch, that's a bit of a doozy though. When I eventually get a motorbike/car I'd want to invest in some CCTV.. At that price, maybe not..
LosOjos Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 What I found was more to do with the type of lense that needed to be used. Police couldn't use the evidence if the lens didn't meet with these requirements Choosing the Wrong Lens - CCTV Information Their information is garbage: The biggest problem with CCTV installations is that the wrong lens is chosen. This normally results in people being too small to recognise and with CCTV pictures only being around 40k each, and not the 10 million you get on your photo camera, you cannot electronically zoom in. To be able to recognise a 1.7m person on a standard* CCTV system they must be at least 50% height of screen (the standards of Detect and Observe are not good enough to recognise person simply to observe what a group is doing or detect a person is present in the picture). These standards are set out in the Home Office Operational Requirements Manual for CCTV – page 8 and used as a reference by the police and the courts. Except that the vast majority of digital CCTV cameras are at least 720p, many 1080p Ok so they called me back the cctv-info people and have told me that for evidence to be accepted by the police i would need to spend £400-600 per camera and £500-800 for a box to record too. Did they offer to sell you some too?! I understand that if a person isn't recognisable in the image, it's not good enough for evidence, but a 1080p video at 25fps (which, again, the majority of digital cameras are quite capable of) should be plenty clear enough. They're basing their information on old fashioned analogue cameras. Obviously, IANAL but if the Police were to tell me a HD video of someone keying my car from 10 feet away wasn't clear enough, I'm sure a lawyer would have a field day with them.
rich_tech Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) K-Guard Aurora - 4 Camera 1TB 960H Auto-Tracking CCTV Kit - Ebuyer You can self fit these systems easy enough these days, ICO covers you regarding private cameras, my parents only film inside their grounds anyway and I fitted this on my parents bungalow after someone turned them over just before christmas in broad daylight when they were out at a wedding. (was very upsetting as they upended and trashed my deceased sisters room) Its decent enough and got a lovely clear picture and the police were only too happy to accept footage when someone's car was broken into recently. Lots of Security companies aim to put the frighteners on you when pushing their wares I noticed before setting on the self-install route so beware. Edited June 16, 2015 by rich_tech
dastrix Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 I'm thinking self install, out of interest what did you go for? System Wise
dastrix Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 Just saw your other post doh, surprisingly they didn't sell they where independent although probably funded by a manufacturer I'm sure
rich_tech Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 As in another discussion with @localzuk, the interface on the system is ok as web interfaces to go, not the best, but easy enough to use on that system, the system comes with a camera with extra sensors for Movement Detection, though these don't work super brilliantly so its easy enough to have the system record for the majority of the working day when my parents are out, then its activated by sensor at night. It does have some nice features like sending video and pictures to telephones and can sync up with its cloud services as well.
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