localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This is a device that goes off-site and, for all intents and purposes, belongs to the student and is their own personal device. How do you expect locking in proxy settings or blocking apps would would whilst they're at home on their own WiFi? It doesn't belong to the student, it belongs to the school - regardless of where it is used. Adding wifi can still be done even with proxy settings locked in as far as I know...
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 the young lady in question was still allowed to access the site and contact the person involved The girl told The Mail on Sunday that she had first had a conversation with the man on an adult social networking website, which she claimed was easy to access, while she was staying with a member of her family over the Christmas holidays. [Emphasis mine] Precisely -all to do with the school.
Garacesh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 It doesn't belong to the student, it belongs to the school - regardless of where it is used. Of course, I completely agree with you there, actually. But whilst the device is still legally the schools, the fact that it goes off-site is going to really mess with managing it. I'm not advocating not managing the device in any way, I'm just asking questions. Adding wifi can still be done even with proxy settings locked in as far as I know... Unless you can lock a proxy to a specific connection, that won't work, as it would try and contact the proxy server whilst it was at home, too, wouldn't it?
sted Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 [Emphasis mine] Precisely -all to do with the school. I wouldn't go quite that far BUT as far as I can see its not an it issue as much as a teaching safety / common sense issue. TBH though if she lied about here age to access an adult website then really I cant see that its anyone's fault but hers
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Unless you can lock a proxy to a specific connection, that won't work, as it would try and contact the proxy server whilst it was at home, too, wouldn't it? That's what you'd want it to do - your school proxy would want to be accessible via the net, so devices off-site are still going via it.
Arreks Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 What a load of rubbish. What she was allowed to do in school should have been picked up in school as part of teaching and learning and the safeguarding policies, procedures and filtering should have nailed this early on. Im not saying what she was doing at home was right, but it should not in any way mitigate what she was allowed to access in school. Except she was using Skype. I can understand that the teacher should have been aware of what was going on, but if Skype was installed then it was obviously needed for something - there's no way to limit what you do on Skype. She wasn't accessing any adult websites or dodgy things in school, she went on the adult websites at home and then added him on Skype at school. It's partly the School's fault, yes - but I don't believe there is any real remote access/management system that lets you view iDevices in real time (except for Impero, but their iDevice integration is quite new).
mjk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 wow. Just wow. I can't believe some of you are actually blaming the VICTIM here. Like it's probably her fault if she got raped by this twisted *.
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Except she was using Skype. I can understand that the teacher should have been aware of what was going on, but if Skype was installed then it was obviously needed for something - there's no way to limit what you do on Skype. She wasn't accessing any adult websites or dodgy things in school, she went on the adult websites at home and then added him on Skype at school. It's partly the School's fault, yes - but I don't believe there is any real remote access/management system that lets you view iDevices in real time (except for Impero, but their iDevice integration is quite new). You can monitor ipads though - Impero has this ability, as does ABTutor I believe. So a teacher could have the screens displayed as thumbnails on their PC...
plexer Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This is a device that goes off-site and, for all intents and purposes, belongs to the student and is their own personal device. How do you expect locking in proxy settings or blocking apps would would whilst they're at home on their own WiFi? It doesn't belong to the student, it belongs to the school - regardless of where it is used. Adding wifi can still be done even with proxy settings locked in as far as I know... Indeed this is pac files come in to use as these can be used to apply a proxy if in school or not when at home or if filtered and logged access is required at all times then cloud based or hybrid filtering solutions can be used to good effect. Ben
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 wow. Just wow. I can't believe some of you are actually blaming the VICTIM here. Like it's probably her fault if she got raped by this twisted *. If you punch a bear and it mauls you, you're not a victim. You're an idiot. Same argument here. SHE went to an adult website, lied about her age, started chatting to people and then added this guy on Skype. Some of the blame lays with her actions.
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 If you punch a bear and it mauls you, you're not a victim. You're an idiot. Same argument here. SHE went to an adult website, lied about her age, started chatting to people and then added this guy on Skype. Some of the blame lays with her actions. SHE is underage. SHE is immature. SHE is not legally responsible for her actions until 16 when it comes to sex. The SCHOOL has a legal responsibility to protect her when she's in school, and when she's using school devices. You are victim blaming, pure and simple.
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 SHE is underage. SHE is immature. SHE is not legally responsible for her actions until 16 when it comes to sex. The SCHOOL has a legal responsibility to protect her when she's in school, and when she's using school devices. You are victim blaming, pure and simple. She may be underage, but she lied that she was older. How is anyone she's chatting to online supposed to know any different? The fact she lied suggests she knew full well that she wasn't supposed to be doing this.
Joanne Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I think blame lies all around. Parents, school and the pupil. Parents for not monitoring internet access, school for not monitoring internet access / filtering issues then the pupil for lying about her age. I've been on websites I shouldn't have been on when I was younger (Yahoo Chat) with webcams and stuff... as soon as I saw something awful I would click off it. I never had any esafety lessons, but I knew what was right and wrong. I never lied about my age online because I knew it was wrong to lie. I'm sure there is hella more to this story than any of us know about though.
Arreks Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 You can monitor ipads though - Impero has this ability, as does ABTutor I believe. So a teacher could have the screens displayed as thumbnails on their PC... I didn't know ABTutor had that, I thought Impero were the only ones so I could understand if people didn't have it yet as you need to sell your soul to the devil to afford it. SHE is underage. SHE is immature. SHE is not legally responsible for her actions until 16 when it comes to sex. The SCHOOL has a legal responsibility to protect her when she's in school, and when she's using school devices. You are victim blaming, pure and simple. Legally that is correct, but I'm quite young so I remember being that age - I certainly was mature enough to know what I was doing and the same went for anyone my age that I knew.. that being said, I think both the School and the parents are at fault; but it's like a 30/70 blame at least!
Tesla Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 She may be underage, but she lied that she was older. How is anyone she's chatting to online supposed to know any different? The fact she lied suggests she knew full well that she wasn't supposed to be doing this. Seconded. (not that i'm saying its all her fault, but it's definitely a factor. Though the guy should of backed off as soon as he knew otherwise.)
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 She may be underage, but she lied that she was older. How is anyone she's chatting to online supposed to know any different? The fact she lied suggests she knew full well that she wasn't supposed to be doing this. Entirely, legally and morally, irrelevant! A child is a child, whether they lie or not! The fact that she lied is proof that she was immature and not mindful of what she was doing was dangerous! Kids lie about their age all the time, it doesn't suddenly make their actions their fault - I lied to buy alcohol as a kid. I didn't really pay much attention to things like alcohol poisoning. The shop that sold me it was still the one in the wrong for selling it to me without checking my age. As an adult, the bloke has a legal responsibility to ensure he is not engaging in behaviour like this with someone underage. He has to make sure - simple as that.
plexer Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 As an adult, the bloke has a legal responsibility to ensure he is not engaging in behaviour like this with someone underage. He has to make sure - simple as that. How exactly would he do that?
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 As an adult, the bloke has a legal responsibility to ensure he is not engaging in behaviour like this with someone underage. He has to make sure - simple as that. So everyone should ask for I.D every time they meet someone new? Just to make sure they aren't underage. Doesn't matter if it's somewhere age restricted.
hardtailstar Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I lied to buy alcohol as a kid. I didn't really pay much attention to things like alcohol poisoning. The shop that sold me it was still the one in the wrong for selling it to me without checking my age. So you didn't know what you were doing when you tried that? Of course you knew what you were doing! You wanted Alcohol, you lied about age. The girl lied about her age and she knew it was wrong.
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 How exactly would he do that? So everyone should ask for I.D every time they meet someone new? Just to make sure they aren't underage. Doesn't matter if it's somewhere age restricted. Sorry, but this is ridiculous. I don't really care how someone checks the age of a very young looking person - ask them for ID, whatever, it doesn't bleedin matter! The onus is legally on that person! If someone is pretty obviously young - ie. under, let's say, 21, any sensible bloke would be very careful and would make sure they were acting legally! I have asked someone for proof that they are old enough - is it some form of taboo asking for proof that someone is the age they say they are? Is that taboo so much more difficult to deal with than the fact that the person might be underage?!! Really quite alarmed by this attitude to be honest!
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 So you didn't know what you were doing when you tried that? Of course you knew what you were doing! You wanted Alcohol, you lied about age. The girl lied about her age and she knew it was wrong. I didn't really know about the consequences, no. Just like this girl didn't really know what the consequences of her actions could be! Sorry but this line of thinking is simply pathetic.
Garacesh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Entirely, legally and morally, irrelevant! A child is a child, whether they lie or not! The fact that she lied is proof that she was immature and not mindful of what she was doing was dangerous! I respectfully disagree. The fact that she lied is proof that she was in full knowledge of what she was doing, which is why she lied in the first place. If she was 'immature and not mindful' she would have asked "Grandma, why does this site need to know my age?" The fact that she continued to solicit this person even after knowing what was going on was her choice. Yes, the school could have done more. Yes, her parents/grandparents certainly could have done more. But she is certainly to shoulder part of the blame, as is the bloke on the other end of the webcam. You lied as a child to get alcohol. So did I. Most of us have done it at some point, I reckon. Alcohol, cigarettes, any kind of restricted product. But just because you were underage doesn't absolve you of all blame. The shop should have carded you, but you should have decided to obey the law. Let us also be mindful that we know nothing of the man on the other end. If it's a 17 year old lad, he's done nothing wrong. Maybe he should've kept better check on his raging hormones and thought about what he was saying before he said it, but if she said he was 16 and he was 17, then he's actually done nothing wrong, but it's still technically paedophilia. Of course, it could also be your stereotypical 30-something sleazeball. Edit: Sorry, missed the part that said believed to be in his 20's. I stand corrected. Edited January 19, 2015 by Garacesh
plexer Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 If someone is pretty obviously young - ie. under, let's say, 21, any sensible bloke would be very careful and would make sure they were acting legally! Really quite alarmed by this attitude to be honest! That statement in itself is ridiculous, if you can tell someone's real age with such reliability then good for you but saying you're alarmed by "this attitude" when someone post a counter statement is also ridiculous.
plexer Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Let us also be mindful that we know nothing of the man on the other end. If it's a 17 year old lad, he's done nothing wrong. Maybe he should've kept better check on his raging hormones and thought about what he was saying before he said it, but if she said he was 16 and he was 17, then he's actually done nothing wrong, but it's still technically paedophilia. Of course, it could also be your stereotypical 30-something sleazeball. I think it said he was 20 in the article linked to? Ben
Joanne Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 GUYS! This is what the DAILY FAIL wants us to do!!! #HookLineSinker
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