13 year old refuses to store fingerprint data for canteen tills.

[LiamH]

well that escalated quickly

 

The dinner lady was wrong to do what she did, but it is hardly the end of the world.

 

A lot of the backlash about bio-metrics comes from lack of understanding on how it works. They just log the positions of key features in the finger print and then match them with a margin of error to the user, It couldn't be used to reconstruct the entire fingerprint, maybe to construct a fingerprint that would trick the biometric, but that's about all it could do.

[jmak]

well that escalated quickly

 

Not that quickly - thread started in February and until yesterday had been quiet for three months.

[LosOjos]

Not that quickly - thread started in February and until yesterday had been quiet for three months.

 

escalate

ɛskəleɪt

verb

 

1. increase rapidly.

"the price of tickets escalated"

synonyms: increase rapidly, soar, rocket, shoot up, mount, surge, spiral, grow rapidly, rise rapidly, climb, go up;

 

2. make or become more intense or serious.

"the disturbance escalated into a full-scale riot"

synonyms: grow, develop, mushroom, increase, be increased, be stepped up, build up, heighten, strengthen, intensify, accelerate, be extended, be enlarged, be magnified, be amplified

"the dispute escalated into a sit-in"

 

 

 

[sorry, couldn't resist!]

[LeMarchand]

Look buddy, I see the point you are trying to make, I agree that there are exceptions to my statement. However I think you are intelligent enough to see the point that I was attempting to make. The lunch lady was clearly in the wrong and trying to push her own agenda or just saying that she doesnt care about the parent or the childs rights to refuse. Considering the fact that her sole purpose in that enviroment is to serve food from behind a counter, she grossly exceeded her brief and was way out of bounds with physically touching that child under the circumstances.

 

What you said was:

 

The lunch lady should be fired for assaulting the child and attempting to force her hand onto the scanner after the parent did not consent to the terms. The lunch lady obviously had zero respect for the rights of the parent or the child. That is unacceptable for a person in her position. Don't touch other people's children ever unless you are saving their life by doing so.

 

If you meant "the lunch lady was in the wrong and shouldn't have done that" why the hysteria? It sounds like you have a problem with lunch ladies. This woman was trying to do what she was told was her job, not "push an agenda". It would probably be a good deal easier for her if her job was just to slop out food to whoever came to the counter rather than have to worry about who was entitled to the food.

[GrumbleDook]

Ok, a few things we can assume.

 

1 - in all probability, the finger printer reader that is usually attached to catering payment points (i.e. tills) is set as a reader ... it scans the finger, sends the noted string to the system and asks is there a match. If this child had refused the request to provide a sample finger print to allow the system to identify them ... the reader would pretty much go, "Computer says no!", so there isn't any agenda of the dinner lady trying to forcibly take a fingerprint and put it on the system.

 

2 - if the parents are that bothered by the dinner lady then contacting the police and pressing for a charge of assault could have been done ... It doesn't appear to have been so we might want to take some of the story with a pinch of salt from that side. Having seen colleagues being accused of assault and seeing what actually happened ... I know that perspective changes quite a lot depending on who you are talking to.

 

3 - Yes, the child and parents have a right to refuse the request ... and remember, it is just that, a request. The phrasing from the child, the parent and the journalist is antagonistic, sensationalist and almost worthy of the Daily Fail or a Panorama investigation into the use of Tiddlywinks in schools.

 

And I wonder if the dear child has their biometrics scanned elsewhere and is happy to share a mountain of personal data all over the internet and with global corporations, but is scared that a school will be targeted to help provide police with evidence if a warrant is produced to access data? Remember that a warrant has to be justifiable, has to have a significant chance of gaining evidence that can be used to obtain a successful prosecution and if repeated requests for warrants are made which do not result in solid evidence then it is not unknown for warrants to be refused. As much as you can't waste the Police's time, they cannot waste a Judge's time either.