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DrCheese

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Everyone is waiting for Zelda and Super Smash Bros.

 

I know I am.

 

This is why I stopped buying Nintendo consoles tho, they have no originality anymore. They just wheel out the same old tired first party franchises and... that's about it. Third party support has been terrible since the N64 days.

flyinghaggis

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This is why I stopped buying Nintendo consoles tho, they have no originality anymore. They just wheel out the same old tired first party franchises and... that's about it. Third party support has been terrible since the N64 days.

 

This +1

 

I bought the last Wii to play Zelda and Mario but other than that it's spent most of it's time gathering dust. I can't see myself buying a Wii U unless they cut the price to the point of giving it away (around £100). If they think it's selling poorly now just wait another 6 months time until the new Xbox and PlayStation are out.

 

Buying a console just to play Nintendo's own first party games doesn't make sense and the third party developers seem to be deserting the Wii like rats jumping from a sinking ship ...

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X-13

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This is why I stopped buying Nintendo consoles tho, they have no originality anymore. They just wheel out the same old tired first party franchises and... that's about it. Third party support has been terrible since the N64 days.

 

Unlike xbox and playstation, which have the same 3rd party games over and over...

 

There's no 3rd party support on WiiU because there's no 3rd party support. Devs need a company or 2 to release some decent games, to get sales of the console up, but none of them want to take the risk.

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tmcd35

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There's no 3rd party support on WiiU because there's no 3rd party support. Devs need a company or 2 to release some decent games, to get sales of the console up, but none of them want to take the risk.

 

Well both Activision (Activision lines up six game titles for Nintendo Wii U- The Inquirer) and UbiSoft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Dogs) appear to be actively supporting the Wii U.

 

The problem for the Wii U is it is barely more powerful than the PS3/360. I already have a PS3, these 3rd Party games are being released on those consoles too. I get the same experience from the same game without having to donate £350 to Nintendo. Then of course there is the PS4/XB1, I'm hoping for a better experience out of Watch_Dog's on that.

 

I've said elsewhere, Nintendo need to focus on their core market and get some quality first party games out. An exclusivity deal with Sega could really help out. A lower £200 max price point. And sorting out the Virtual Console as between Sega and Nintendo they have some very very compelling IP there.

 

Done correctly and Nintendo can be come the 2nd console of choice. After all why would you want to buy an XB1 if you bought a PS4 (or vise-versa)? They're the same console. If the only place you can play both Sega and Nintendo is on the Wii U, with all that history and some new compelling titles?

X-13

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Done correctly and Nintendo can be come the 2nd console of choice. After all why would you want to buy an XB1 if you bought a PS4 (or vise-versa)? They're the same console. If the only place you can play both Sega and Nintendo is on the Wii U, with all that history and some new compelling titles?

 

Which was exactly how the Wii was regarded.

 

It wasn't an "or" console [360 or PS3] it was an "and" [360/PS3 and Wii]

 

Not being as powerful as the Xbone/PS4 isn't a big deal to me, they are as not powerful as PC [Or soon won't be] and they still have good games. Which is what Ninty are good at, making good [fun] games. It isn't about the super realistic graphics and fish reaction technology [which Last of Us has...] it's about making something that has a good story and is fun to play.

 

That being said, stylised graphics can look just as good as hyper realism. Skyward Sword is beautiful.

 

 

However, it doesn't help that it's [censored] expensive... I can buy a new PS3 for less than the basic Wii U.

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fromtheinternet

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Performance was never an issue. You can still have great games without needing to pump out a quadrillion gigatexels per picosecond. The issue that Nintendo have, IMO, is about branding. A huge number of sales for the original Wii came from so-called casual gamers who bought the console for Wii Fit etc. Why would people need to spend another £200 on a machine when the first one does the same job? They should have renamed the console completely, and tried going down another avenue.

 

In the end, the 360/PS3 was purchased for blockbuster games, driven mainly by the 18-30 crowd who want the latest and greatest to play on Live/PSN against their friends. The Wii (and U) never had those kinds of games, and the games that they do have aren't reliant on graphics to enjoy.

 

The hardcore Nintendo loyalists aren't purchasing it because it's lacking the usual killer first-party titles like a new Zelda. To the masses, the Wii U is another Wii but with a tablet thingy.

VeryPC

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...a quadrillion gigatexels per picosecond...

What a co-incidence. The next VeryPC product has a spec of exactly a quadrillion gigatexels per picosecond! [yes - that is its "spec"]

 

Back on topic - I agree with @X-13 that since they launched the Wii, Nintendo's consoles have been an "and" product, offering a style of gameplay not generally associated with the PS3/Xbox, which justified buying it as a second console.

 

I've always seen the Wii and Wii-U as more of a "family" console, and Nintendo certainly seem to market it this way. Not sure why this marketing no longer seems to be working, but it is a shame to see the decline - more choice in the marketplace is always a good thing.

 

Al

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offering a style of gameplay not generally associated with the PS3/Xbox, which justified buying it as a second console.

 

DnD - Wii U edition. Tablet is DM.

 

Someone needs to make it happen.

 

Also [Not my idea]

 

I am glad I'm not the only one with this thought. I would love to see that. I could even imagine the DM going in and making maps and stuff to show up on the tv when playing. I would even go one step further and say why not add connectivity to the 3ds so players could have their character sheets available to them at all times?

 

ZombiU is a pretty cool concept, with the tablet showing things you can't see on the screen.

 

Hopefully WiiU Zelda uses it properly too. [Not Wind Waker HD... Wind Waker is boring.]

tmcd35

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What a co-incidence. The next VeryPC product has a spec of exactly a quadrillion gigatexels per picosecond! [yes - that is its "spec"]

 

Do you need a beta tester?

 

 

I've always seen the Wii and Wii-U as more of a "family" console, and Nintendo certainly seem to market it this way. Not sure why this marketing no longer seems to be working, but it is a shame to see the decline - more choice in the marketplace is always a good thing.

 

 

The problem is there is nothing the Wii U offers that the 360+Kinnect+Smartglass or PS3+Move doesn't already offer. It's not that much of an upgrade from Wii+MotionPlus. Without compelling 1st party titles why buy? I'm not sure Nintendo titles on their own are good enough any more. I've think they've flogged Mario and Donkey Kong to death. They should never have let Square Enix or Rare get away.

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*cough* *cough* What?! *confused face*

 

I'm currently at... I think the second to last temple. Maybe the last one.

 

I have a few bits left to get item-wise, hearts + triforces IIRC, I REALLY CAN'T BE BOTHERED!

 

The sailing is tedious. I have the warp song [whatever it's called] WHY CAN'T I WARP EVERYWHERE!!!

 

The island stuff is cool, the sea makes me want to kill myself.

flyinghaggis

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I thought Wind Waker was pretty cool but I still have the GameCube version sitting on my shelf so if I had the inclination I could to play it on my Wii. In fact I still have a GameCube lying around somewhere! As someone who's owned pretty much every Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft console released in the last 20 years (I'm sad like that) the Wii U is the first one I'm contemplating passing on!

 

It says a lot about the state of Nintendo when one of the biggest releases of the year is an HD refresh of a decade old gamecube game.

Fleetwood

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I'm so confused. Is the Wii U a console or a portable device? The screen on the controller would do my head in, I only want to look at one - my TV!

 

As long as fishing in this new Zelda isn't as completely *!$^$! up as it was in Twilight Princess on the Wii, then I'm happy. I'm still shell-shocked by the price of the Basic model though, blimey. Agreeing with the comments though, ever since they released the Wii it has been the "and" console approach, and I've always regarded it as more of a family console. Though it's fun to go online on your own on Mario Kart, beat all the other players and feel smug/victorious only to realise you've been racing against six year olds. Not really credible anymore.

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Though it's fun to go online on your own on Mario Kart, beat all the other players and feel smug/victorious only to realise you've been racing against six year olds. Not really credible anymore.

 

I'd rather defeat 6 year olds in Mario Kart, than suffer idiots in Call of Duty Dog 58.

X-13

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Hehe true true, well both have the same mental age :p

 

Not really. I've had proper conversations with 6 year olds [mostly relatives, some random pupils that were in a class I was working in] about computers and vidya gaems.

 

All you're going to get out of CoD idiots is profanity and their insistence that they slept with your mother.

VeryPC

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Do you need a beta tester?

The beta testing positions for this certainly real and actually existing product that definitely does what I claim above are already taken by a ghost, an elf, the Minotaur and a fairy, so we've got a full complement sorry.

 

Al

tmcd35

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The beta testing positions for this certainly real and actually existing product that definitely does what I claim above are already taken by a ghost, an elf, the Minotaur and a fairy, so we've got a full complement sorry.

 

Al

 

So you dont need a Dwarf with a level 5 Axe then :( No fair, I'll have an incompatibility spell cast on your hardware! (Bloody Minotaurs have all the fun!)

Fleetwood

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I'd rather defeat 6 year olds in Mario Kart, than suffer idiots in Call of Duty Dog 58.

 

Fair shout! That's why I stopped playing it after CoD 3, they got too focused on the Multiplayer and naturally all the console kiddies soon did gather. I still remember thinking the original CoD singleplayers were badass enough. They still are now, it all went bad after 3 :( *violin*

 

call of doody call of doody call of doody tv tv etc.

Michael

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From the top of my head, I think I've only seen one Wii U advert to date (in the UK). Maybe their marketing budget is a little flat? I do agree also that ultimately the games sell the console and not the other way around, although in saying that I think gamers today pay more attention to the specs of a console than they did say 15 years ago.

 

I've not quite understood why Nintendo seem to be releasing their flagship home console with last generation specifications. The NES and Master System were similar, as were the Super NES and the MegaDrive. The PS1 and the N64 started to see the divide and since this generation, the spec gap seems to be getting larger and larger.

 

In the longterm I think Nintendo will go the way of Sega, becoming a software only developer with the exception of arcade machines.

flyinghaggis

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I've not quite understood why Nintendo seem to be releasing their flagship home console with last generation specifications. The NES and Master System were similar, as were the Super NES and the MegaDrive. The PS1 and the N64 started to see the divide and since this generation, the spec gap seems to be getting larger and larger..

 

Nintendo releasing substandard hardware is a development that seemed to start with the Gamecube. The SNES was massively superior to the Sega MegaDrive though admittedly it was released a year or two later. Likewise, the N64 was way more powerful at rendering 3D than the first Playstation and Sega Saturn.

 

If anything I think Nintendo screwed up releasing the Wii U before the PS4/XBone. I think they'd have done far better if they waited until Sony/MS played their hands and released a system with specs on a par with them a year or so later. By launching early with inferior hardware they've nerfed any chance of getting third party ports of Xbone/PS4 releases. I'm sure Nintendo will still have enough life left in them to release a follow-up to the Wii U and doubtless another Nintendo DS. With the other players crowding out the home console market and tablets/phones eating at their mobile market share things are looking tough for them at this point though.

 

They could well end up in the same boat as Sega.

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