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    Interesting. I'm just really unsure about letting an OCZ device anywhere near a production environment! However, the system as a general virtualisation box, hooked up to a SAN would be a brilliant setup at rock bottom pricing (not relevant to this discussion but relevant to me at the moment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Interesting. I'm just really unsure about letting an OCZ device anywhere near a production environment!
    They have come a fair way in the past few years (after the dodgy RAM stick days) and now that they are using Sandforce on their PCBs things are looking up.

    Heres a link to a post I did about it on my blog - What happens when you put a OCZ PCI-E SSD in a server? | my world of IT

    Will do another update sometime in April when we move our current and new VDI server onto these drives.

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    Thanks.

    I am not sure of budget constaints I just get told to 'get a price'.

    I do not want to be frivolous with money, but I would like to have the capabilities to run a virtual environment maybe from the outset or maybe at another juncture.

    I really need to read up on servers and know what I am buying is fit for purpose.

    In regards to licensing I am not sure about prices for just a Microsoft RDP setup, i will have to look, have never had a terminal server setup so not sure how licensing works, or rough costs.

    Also server software, I will need 2008 R2 with Hyper-V I presume, would I be better waiting for 'Server 8' I am also pondering. Windows server being the way to go so I could use RDP or citrix.

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    Do you use a schools agreement or EES agreement? If so, RDS licenses are a couple of quid each per year.

    If you want to do full VDI, you really need to speak to a specialist supplier such as The Cutter Project, as they'll be able to guide you on specific requirements for software etc...

    Pure RDP isn't great with multimedia still, so Citrix would be more advisable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    The latest figures we have had (based around 30 VDI seats) were around-


    £4220 - HP DL385 G7 - 2x16core AMD Opteron, 80GB RAM, 240GB OCZ PCI-E SSD
    Search results for DL385 G7 - Misco.co.uk

    I see there are some other DL 385 servers, but 8 core, would these be sufficient for thinclient setup 20 clients, possible VDI?

    am just comparing with the other 8 core example DL165 which you already said would prob be sufficient.
    Search results for HP DL165 G7 - Misco.co.uk

    Is it imperative to have more than 1 CPU when running VDI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duxbuz View Post
    Is it imperative to have more than 1 CPU when running VDI?
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    Think of it this way. When you deploy a desktop fat client each user ends up getting one, two or even four cores and 2 to 4 gb of RAM to themselves. An 8 core server with 20 concurrent users means you are running at 0.4 cores per user averaged. Adding a second CPU so 16 cores would give 0.8 cores per user - much more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxbuz View Post
    Is it imperative to have more than 1 CPU when running VDI?
    We are running our 20 VDI seats at the moment off of one 8 core processor - clock rarely goes above 50%.

    The thing you have to remember is that a normal PC spends most of its time idle (well below its max) - only every now and again will it go to 100% and then again how often will all the PCs in an entire room hit 100% usage?

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    Ok the thinclient count was incorrect, we are actually looking at 35 thinclients.

    How much more of an impact are the extra 15 ?

    Is this a definite 2 x 8 core cpu setup, or is this inadequate?

    RAM requirements guestimates would be useful if anyone could help with that also?

    Thanks.

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    Yeah I would be looking to bump that up to either one 16 core (might need to go CTO on that) or a dual 8 core if running 32.

    For RAM assume min 2 GB (which I find Windows 7 runs fine on) but allow for expansion as best as you can - after all RAM is cheap as chips

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    Thanks a lot CTO?

    caffeine to opium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxbuz View Post
    Thanks a lot CTO?

    caffeine to opium?
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    Configure to order - kinda like what dell does

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    I dont see many 16 core alternatives.
    I have some 12 core examples and 8 core.

    Search results for dl385 g7 - Misco.co.uk
    Search results for HP DL165 G7 - Misco.co.uk

    The 12 core DL165's look more expensive than the DL385's at a glance, I will see why that is when I get a minute.

    With 35 clients, which will mostly be using KS1 software, i may am wondering if i would need to go for 2 x12 core cpu's or just the 2 x8 cores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxbuz View Post
    I dont see many 16 core alternatives.
    I think it will be a few more weeks until we see servers with the latest Xeon E5 processors.


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    In speaking with suppliers we have about 2 months before HP will be shipping Gen8 to the UK - all of which I would guess are to the big guys leaving us probably at the 3-4 month wait period.

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