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    6gbps PCI Express SATA Card

    Hi

    I have seen a few around that should work with the 2008 Mac Pro ie rocket raid, LSI, 3ware etc that will allow me to use a 6gbps SSD.

    So I am basically after either a

    A 6Gbps SATA Card ( None raid ) OR 6gbps SAS Card plus relevant cable to convert SAS to SATA 6Gbps which will allow OS X / Windows to boot / bootable

    Any quotes, specs, suggestions as seen a few cards that require you to shutdown for 10 - 15 seconds in order to boot into OS X without giving kernel panics etc which I think were raid cards anyway

    I did see the rocket raid 2722, 2721, 620, 640 and some other cards

    Am hoping it won't cost more then 200 but if it is then at least I can add it to my to get list.

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    16.79 From Scan?

    Scan.co.uk: 2 Port Lycom PE-115 SATA III

    Edited to add: Sorry, missed the Mac bit :/

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    This one is Mac compatible if you don't mind external drives

    Scan.co.uk: Lycom PE-114M Low Profile PCIe 2.0 Host Adapter for Mac and Windows

    And it's cheap!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    This one is Mac compatible if you don't mind external drives

    Scan.co.uk: Lycom PE-114M Low Profile PCIe 2.0 Host Adapter for Mac and Windows

    And it's cheap!!
    Never tried anything like that before - if I did do it that way would it still allow me to make the external drive bootable

    Was hoping for internal as was going to purchase

    one 6gbps ssd
    one OWC Multi mount
    16gb of ram

    multi mount basically is a hard drive type bracket to allow me to fit the 2.5" ssd into the optical drive bay. Will lose one of my optical drives but I can live with that.

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    Not sure. If anyone else counld answer that? Is there a differnce between external and internal SATA (besides the connectors) it would be worth sharing.

    These are the specs it is listing:

    • 6Gbps eSATA III external 2 Ports
    • Compliant with 5Gbps PCI Express 2.0
    • Fully compliant with Serial ATA specifications 2.6
    • Supports SATA III transfer rate of 6.0Gbps, 3.0Gbps 1.5Gbps
    • Supports ATA and ATAPI commands
    • Supports Native Command Queuing (NCQ)
    • Support AES-256
    • 48 bits LBA can Break Capacity-Limit to Support HDD larger than 137GB
    • Low Profile PCI Form Factor
    • Includes an additional Low Profile Bracket
    • Hot-plug capability
    • Two Pin headers on board for LED connection
    • Completely with drivers for 64bit / 32bit Windows 7, Vista, XP and Server 2003
    • 64bit / 32bit Windows 7 Built-in Driver support
    • Fully RoHS compliant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Not sure. If anyone else counld answer that? Is there a differnce between external and internal SATA (besides the connectors) it would be worth sharing.

    These are the specs it is listing:

    • 6Gbps eSATA III external 2 Ports
    • Compliant with 5Gbps PCI Express 2.0
    • Fully compliant with Serial ATA specifications 2.6
    • Supports SATA III transfer rate of 6.0Gbps, 3.0Gbps 1.5Gbps
    • Supports ATA and ATAPI commands
    • Supports Native Command Queuing (NCQ)
    • Support AES-256
    • 48 bits LBA can Break Capacity-Limit to Support HDD larger than 137GB
    • Low Profile PCI Form Factor
    • Includes an additional Low Profile Bracket
    • Hot-plug capability
    • Two Pin headers on board for LED connection
    • Completely with drivers for 64bit / 32bit Windows 7, Vista, XP and Server 2003
    • 64bit / 32bit Windows 7 Built-in Driver support
    • Fully RoHS compliant
    Seeing as it states compatable with win / os X and I will mainly be using it for OS X assuming the eSATA cable is not too much more I might give that a go later on.

    If anyone else has suggestions im open to them

    Thanks

    edited

    Do they do something similar that literally has the 2 sata ports on the board itself as apposed to the external eSATA ports or is it possible to get the sata connectors and solder them on or what exactly ?

    Also on that card page it states the following

    64bit / 32bit OS In-box Driver support non-booting Mac 10.5, 10.6, Linux

    What does that mean ???

    http://www.lycom.com.tw/PE-114M.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Seeing as it states compatable with win / os X and I will mainly be using it for OS X assuming the eSATA cable is not too much more I might give that a go later on.

    If anyone else has suggestions im open to them

    Thanks
    Seen as though just about every cheap sata3 controller I've seen comes with the Marvel 88SE9128 (or sometimes 88SE9122?) chip I would look into whether any card will work with OSX. Have a look for other peoples experiences as surely it would be better to have an internal sata if you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    Seen as though just about every cheap sata3 controller I've seen comes with the Marvel 88SE9128 (or sometimes 88SE9122?) chip I would look into whether any card will work with OSX. Have a look for other peoples experiences as surely it would be better to have an internal sata if you can
    What about this one :

    ST-163

    Is it possible to get a SAS to SATA cable and use the above card ?

    it is in the mac section on there site

    The PE 115 seems similar aside from having internal onboard sata ports as apposed to esata - so curious if it supports OS X
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    Are you shure that your mac has an express card?
    I have just done a similar thing with my daughters mac book pro.
    Edit - sorry I added the "book" bit when I read the post- of course a mac pro wouldn't need an express card

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    To answer a few questions:
    SATA and eSATA difference = none apart from the conectors which are possibly the worst designed connectors avalible today. eSATA connectors have no mandated locking mechinsum so rely on friction between the pins in the connector and the wedge on the device/adaptor. This makes them very prone to falling off, something that is not good when it holds your data. Speedwise and electricly it is the same. One thing that can be of benifit with the eSATA cards is that they actually support hot swap as the SATA spec specifies, something that far to many internal controllers lack.

    The non boot only bit probably reffers to the issue that boot time drivers/efi hooks are not avalible to be able to boot off hard drives atached to the card directly and it is a matter of waiting until the OS has booted and loaded the runtime drivers before the drives on the controller are accessable. Go non-extencible firmware interface implemenation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    What about this one :

    ST-163

    Is it possible to get a SAS to SATA cable and use the above card ?

    it is in the mac section on there site

    The PE 115 seems similar aside from having internal onboard sata ports as apposed to esata - so curious if it supports OS X
    That looks like just an adapter to hook up to existing ports on your motherboard that presents them as a high density external connector so that you can use something like a high speed external drive caddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    To answer a few questions:
    SATA and eSATA difference = none apart from the conectors which are possibly the worst designed connectors avalible today. eSATA connectors have no mandated locking mechinsum so rely on friction between the pins in the connector and the wedge on the device/adaptor. This makes them very prone to falling off, something that is not good when it holds your data. Speedwise and electricly it is the same. One thing that can be of benifit with the eSATA cards is that they actually support hot swap as the SATA spec specifies, something that far to many internal controllers lack.

    The non boot only bit probably reffers to the issue that boot time drivers/efi hooks are not avalible to be able to boot off hard drives atached to the card directly and it is a matter of waiting until the OS has booted and loaded the runtime drivers before the drives on the controller are accessable. Go non-extencible firmware interface implemenation.
    That's no good to me then as I am going to use the SSD as my main boot drive

    SSD --> PCI Express 6gbps card --> Mac Pro

    So that the SSD is my boot drive, if the eSATA are prone to falling off thats no good either as it will be running my OS.

    So that leaves the question of

    Go with the rocket raid 620 ( non raid version ) for aprox 40 or what other options do I have ?

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    The esata card mentioned before and the rocketraid have the same controller... whether this mean they are both exactly the same in terms of being a bootable device etc I dont know

    HighPoint Global website

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    LSI's 9750 series of SAS/SATA RAID controllers have Mac OS X drivers but do not support booting on EFI-based systems. Neither does the brand new 9265-8i which is designed with SSDs in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    LSI's 9750 series of SAS/SATA RAID controllers have Mac OS X drivers but do not support booting on EFI-based systems. Neither does the brand new 9265-8i which is designed with SSDs in mind.
    wondering if this will change with OS X Lion ??

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