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In the wake of changing the GPO settings, we're now using the following as a startup script: [url="https://helgeklein.com/free-tools/delprof2-user-profile-deletion-tool/"]delprof2[/url] /i /r /u

You might find this approach works better for your printers. You can either do it this way or employ a similar methodology using the Environment Variables GPP instead of Ini Files.

You're welcome! I've seen it "less" since the Anniversary Update over here, but still occasionally. What the AU does seem to have cured is the issue of hanging on sign-out. The other major headache - the black screen on sign-in - is still occurring, through less frequently and now at least the shell does seem to appear eventually, as opposed to not at all previously. Now it's just the slow logon times that need sorting out... :/

I wonder if we're posting in the same thread over there? I've coded a workaround in AutoIt that will restart Explorer.exe (and Classic Shell) if you press Ctrl+Alt+Esc. This has made it manageable - though annoying - for users over here, in that it moves the issue from being a serious problem to being a mere inconvenience, so we've proceeded with our Windows 10 rollout as planned. I've attached the zipped source and executable to this post in case anyone finds it useful. We deploy it through the (hidden) Startup folder in our redirected Start Menu. Note: this code assumes a 64-bit version of Classic Shell in the Program Files path for it. RestartExplorer.zip

Your next idea was cynicism. Fighting science with science makes sense... but fighting insanity with further insanity? No, that is fighting fire with fire. We all know how that ends. I think the issue here is with precepts. It seems as though, to your mind, it is already a certain fact that their argument belongs in the bin. That, however, is not a scientific approach - it is not objective. You do not "fight science with science" by abandoning the Null Hypothesis, nor do you correct the misunderstanding of others by disrespecting it. That approach has never, ever worked in the history of humanity, excepting those cases where brute force was employed (which we would not contemplate here). We cannot proceed on a basis of disrespect.

Just on that point, here's a good example from Yes, Prime Minister (camera angles are off but the content is discernible): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjePw1B21VY#t=9m17s Until 12:00. This clip satirises both political games-playing and the "art" of rubbishing people rather than their ideas.

That is the reasoning of a (modern) politician. It is also the reason why so many people have disengaged with politics and become cynical about the whole affair. It is, as I said, among the greatest fallacies of our time. Would you not agree that, if you did manage to convince your opponent, you would convince the audience at the same time? It is better - albeit harder - to kill two birds with one stone.

If you ridicule people, they will shut down and stop listening to you. It becomes a vicious circle of abusive behaviour on both sides. You have people here who believe something. While what they believe may turn out not to be genuine, their actual belief in it is genuine. If you denounce it, you are denying their reality and human beings generally find that very difficult to deal with. You can only develop the situation by engaging with it (which does not mean colluding with it); yah-boo-ery from the sidelines will fix nothing and only strengthen the resolve of others. The notion that ridicule can solve problems and put to bed misguided views is, itself, one of the greatest pseudo-intellectual misconceptions of our generation.

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Confirmed not fixed for us in tonight's new build 14393.51... :/

I always assumed that covered local profiles as well as roaming profiles, which is why we've not used it here. Is that not the case, then?

Confirmed - that "fixes" it here too. Many thanks!!! :) Having said that though, we do want profiles to be cleared on logoff here as it prevents local corruption etc. This, to my mind, confirms that it's definitely a bug. Does anyone know how you report bugs to Microsoft as a business user? Can you use the Contact Support app, or is that only for home users?

In our case it's just bog-standard WDS though...

@el_krako, did it work out yesterday?

Anyone else getting this when using non-mandatory roaming profiles on Redstone? It's actually loading the profile fine, as confirmed by the Event Logs, and it's saving any changes back fine too. If I rename ntuser.dat to ntuser.man, the problem disappears (so the students will be fine). The "default user" profile on the NetLogon share consists of solely the ntuser.dat file as copied (properly) from the default local user profile in Redstone. If I just click Dismiss, everything is fine regardless... can't have it coming up all the time for the staff though! So weird - has anyone else seen it?

Alright then, you say it all fancy-like...

IT'S ON THERE NOW!!!

... but there are SIMS equivalents that are purely web-based, however well they work, and that's part of the question.

I mean as in SIMS etc.

^ I think that's the kind of message Microsoft needs to hear. What would you do for your MIS? Go web-based with something like Progresso?

I would love to be able to say I think it's just confusion or a lack of understanding, but I think the real rationale is more sinister... It's fair to say the services encompassed by that figure comprise far more than simple server/desktop licensing, but it's also true to say that Microsoft has a clear business interest in this. At the moment, we may pay money (though nowhere near that much) to cover power, hardware, licensing, VLEs, BI tools etc... but all of that money is divvied up between different vendors who get their (fair) share of public funds for the disparate services they provide. What Microsoft wants us to do is send all of that money to them - and more besides, by the looks of it. "Free" services for education? They'll be laughing all the way to the bank. This was planned. As I predicted a few years ago, the decision to make Office 365 completely free for education was, is and always will be nothing more than a "hook". It's a very good business strategy, yes, but it has no place in the education sector. Full integration can be very nice indeed, but if you already have a sound setup it really isn't worth paying over five times more for (as in our case). I am furious with the DfE for getting into bed with Microsoft and leading to this fiasco, and I'm minded to put forward a plan to hold them to account for this. Somewhat ironically, I would also be concerned for Microsoft in this. They've been done through a class-action lawsuit before for swatting other providers out of the market, by trying to position themselves as The One Provider that can supply everything. It looks like they haven't learned their lesson.

On a separate note, and while I completely accept the nature of "indicative figures" and "model proposals", the total cost for the kit list as presented comes to £39,332/annum. Is anyone else flabbergasted by this?

I am very troubled to see that they have left in the sentence I cautioned them most heavily against: I was very clear that its wording suggests our profession will be "dumbed down" and their response was essentially "noted, but bear in mind this is a draft". It is quite telling that it has made it to the final version.

What's kinda funny is that I didn't come up with this method at school... that screenshot is from a server at a solicitors' firm that I was doing a network for on the side... xD